Is anyone actually surprised Fury-AJ has fallen apart?

[andocom]

How did he deliver when the fight didn’t happen?

I’m not excusing Arum, Fury, AJ etc either. They all led the fans down the garden path. I’m just bemused you feel Hearn delivered when he negotiated a fight for 11+ months and that now isn’t happening.

There are two parties responsible for the undisputed fight not happening now, Wilder for pursuing his rematch (rightfully as per contract apparently), and Arum/Fury for not handling that situation correctly.

Would you also blame Hearn if the fight didn't happen because Top Rank's plane crashed on the way to Saudi Arabia?

What Hearn could organise: Splits, Site, Site Fee, Broadcast Deals, Fighters Agreement.

What Hearn couldn't organise: Fury's rematch clause & arbitration.

What made the fight fall apart: Fury's rematch clause & arbitration.

Starting to get the picture now?

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

There are two parties responsible for the undisputed fight not happening now, Wilder for pursuing his rematch (rightfully as per contract apparently), and Arum/Fury for not handling that situation correctly.

Would you also blame Hearn if the fight didn't happen because Top Rank's plane crashed on the way to Saudi Arabia?

What Hearn could organise: Splits, Site, Site Fee, Broadcast Deals, Fighters Agreement.

What Hearn couldn't organise: Fury's rematch clause & arbitration.

What made the fight fall apart: Fury's rematch clause & arbitration.

Starting to get the picture now?

You’ve completely missed the point of this thread…

What I’m saying is Hearn, Arum etc all lied to us for months by constantly implying the fight was happening, confirmed etc. They were evidently lying.

You Hearn fans are crazy man, you’ll defend anything the man says or does.

Whether you choose to accept it or not, Hearn along with Arum and others FAILED to deliver this fight. That’s a matter of fact.

[andocom]

You’ve completely missed the point of this thread…

What I’m saying is Hearn, Arum etc all lied to us for months by constantly implying the fight was happening, confirmed etc. They were evidently lying.

You Hearn fans are crazy man, you’ll defend anything the man says or does.

Whether you choose to accept it or not, Hearn along with Arum and others FAILED to deliver this fight. That’s a matter of fact.

Your proof Hearn said this fight was done in June 2020 literally was him saying "They do have intermediate fights. There is Dillian Whyte as a mandatory as well, but always the most difficult part of any deal is getting two parties to agree to the financial elements of the deal."

I'm not a fan of any promoter, your bizarre, frankly deluded opinion that its Hearn's fault in some way this fight isn't happening when its obvious to anyone with half a brain or no bias that the problem is completely with Arum/Fury side, might be time to question which of those issues it is effecting you.

[hugh grant]

I'm totally surprised wilder might get 3rd fight. In the real world covid has ruined the plans and lives of many day to day people. So why would anyone expect 3rd fight to go ahead as usual?

[sunny31]

Your proof Hearn said this fight was done in June 2020 literally was him saying "They do have intermediate fights. There is Dillian Whyte as a mandatory as well, but always the most difficult part of any deal is getting two parties to agree to the financial elements of the deal."

I'm not a fan of any promoter, your bizarre, frankly deluded opinion that its Hearn's fault in some way this fight isn't happening when its obvious to anyone with half a brain or no bias that the problem is completely with Arum/Fury side, might be time to question which of those issues it is effecting you.

Don't waste your time with her, Eddie ****ed his sister or something. He's been at it for years, very strange geezer. I completely agree with you btw those updates are clearly given with provisos.

[786]

Your proof Hearn said this fight was done in June 2020 literally was him saying "They do have intermediate fights. There is Dillian Whyte as a mandatory as well, but always the most difficult part of any deal is getting two parties to agree to the financial elements of the deal."

I'm not a fan of any promoter, your bizarre, frankly deluded opinion that its Hearn's fault in some way this fight isn't happening when its obvious to anyone with half a brain or no bias that the problem is completely with Arum/Fury side, might be time to question which of those issues it is effecting you.

I completely agree that the blame should be on Fury and his team but you don't think Hearn deserves any criticism at all for this? Just two weeks ago Frank Warren said nothing's been signed and Hearn responded to that by going on Sky news to say the fight's a done deal and will be in Saudi on Aug 14th. He was doing a lot of misleading and pretty much announced the fight 3 times that week. You don't find it weird that Eddie went so hard for the fight (in the media at least) while Fury was in arbitration? 'Yeah but Arum said it'll be ok....' So not one adviser to Hearn, lawyer, his dad, not ONE person at matchroom thought that might jeopardize the fight? Do you believe that they just took Arum's word for it and literally thought it won't affect the fight? If that is the case, shouldn't some blame/criticism go on Hearn and matchroom for being so ****ing ****** and naive?

Isn't it strange that AJ was all 'less talk more action' during this whole process, no trash talk at all until the fight is definitely off and suddenly he pipes up and starts chatting **** about Fury on social media?

While I agree that ultimately, this fight isn't happening because of Fury and his team, the way this has played out makes me think that both sides knew it wasn't happening and did a lot of misleading during the whole process. Also, apart from that ridiculous ig post Fury put up a day before the fight was called off, his team were quite negative about the fight happening; Arum said it was dead in the water, Warren said nothing's been signed all while Hearn was doing press tours telling the whole world, repeatedly that it's most definitely on. He definitely deserves some blame and criticism for the amount of misleading he's done.

[sunny31]

I completely agree that the blame should be on Fury and his team but you don't think Hearn deserves any criticism at all for this? Just two weeks ago Frank Warren said nothing's been signed and Hearn responded to that by going on Sky news to say the fight's a done deal and will be in Saudi on Aug 14th. He was doing a lot of misleading and pretty much announced the fight 3 times that week. You don't find it weird that Eddie went so hard for the fight (in the media at least) while Fury was in arbitration? 'Yeah but Arum said it'll be ok....' So not one adviser to Hearn, lawyer, his dad, not ONE person at matchroom thought that might jeopardize the fight? Do you believe that they just took Arum's word for it and literally thought it won't affect the fight? If that is the case, shouldn't some blame/criticism go on Hearn and matchroom for being so ****ing ****** and naive?

Isn't it strange that AJ was all 'less talk more action' during this whole process, no trash talk at all until the fight is definitely off and suddenly he pipes up and starts chatting **** about Fury on social media?

While I agree that ultimately, this fight isn't happening because of Fury and his team, the way this has played out makes me think that both sides knew it wasn't happening and did a lot of misleading during the whole process. Also, apart from that ridiculous ig post Fury put up a day before the fight was called off, his team were quite negative about the fight happening; Arum said it was dead in the water, Warren said nothing's been signed all while Hearn was doing press tours telling the whole world, repeatedly that it's most definitely on. He definitely deserves some blame and criticism for the amount of misleading he's done.

Another one...

You're first line is its Team Furys fault and then gone on a massive rampage about Hearn haha. If you actually follow the steps and the articles that the OP actually put up it explains quite clearly. From my understanding they signed late last year pending a site deal and "finer points" being agreed. I believe the thing which took the longest was the final contract with the site deal on it, I'm imagining this is due to the Saudi's being relatively inexperienced in boxing and the fact that is is such a big deal - Hearn is damned if he does or damned if he doesn't. If he gives no info fans jump on him about why the fight isn't being negotiated if he does then he is "misleading".

First bold point - how are they ****** and naive for trying to make the biggest fight in boxing fully committed? They were reassured it was not a problem, they will not have access to the legal documents regarding Fury-Wilder. However even if they did/do and they knew the implications I'm sure they would have still risked it to make the biggest fight in boxing. Furthermore, Joshua was out last December and will prob be out again in Aug as planned - pretty normal turnaround for him (maybe slightly long) still going to make a tonne of money in a big fight against a highly skilled star.

Second bold point, he doesn't have a right to be pissed? I don't think he's talking because he now doesn't have to fight Fury, crazy insinuation but you're entitled to your opinion I guess.

Third bold, conspiracy theory? Boring, maybe Fury's side knew things were not looking good, maybe that was filtered back to Team Joshua, but I doubt it. I think they were all taken back by the decision.

Fourth bold, again its pretty normal for the guy who is actually dealing with the site has the most information. It did take longer than they all anticipated I'm sure, but if you go back and watch Frank Warren's last interview before the Wilder stuff he admits that the site contract is there and the fight is close to done.

The only thing Hearn is guilty of, is being a massive blabber mouth, which in a lot of cases is a big part of his job. I don't think you can blame him for fight collapse at all - with the ruling this was always going to hit a wall

[786]

Another one...

You're first line is its Team Furys fault and then gone on a massive rampage about Hearn haha. If you actually follow the steps and the articles that the OP actually put up it explains quite clearly. From my understanding they signed late last year pending a site deal and "finer points" being agreed. I believe the thing which took the longest was the final contract with the site deal on it, I'm imagining this is due to the Saudi's being relatively inexperienced in boxing and the fact that is is such a big deal - Hearn is damned if he does or damned if he doesn't. If he gives no info fans jump on him about why the fight isn't being negotiated if he does then he is "misleading".

First bold point - how are they ****** and naive for trying to make the biggest fight in boxing fully committed? They were reassured it was not a problem, they will not have access to the legal documents regarding Fury-Wilder. However even if they did/do and they knew the implications I'm sure they would have still risked it to make the biggest fight in boxing. Furthermore, Joshua was out last December and will prob be out again in Aug as planned - pretty normal turnaround for him (maybe slightly long) still going to make a tonne of money in a big fight against a highly skilled star.

Second bold point, he doesn't have a right to be pissed? I don't think he's talking because he now doesn't have to fight Fury, crazy insinuation but you're entitled to your opinion I guess.

Third bold, conspiracy theory? Boring, maybe Fury's side knew things were not looking good, maybe that was filtered back to Team Joshua, but I doubt it. I think they were all taken back by the decision.

Fourth bold, again its pretty normal for the guy who is actually dealing with the site has the most information. It did take longer than they all anticipated I'm sure, but if you go back and watch Frank Warren's last interview before the Wilder stuff he admits that the site contract is there and the fight is close to done.

The only thing Hearn is guilty of, is being a massive blabber mouth, which in a lot of cases is a big part of his job. I don't think you can blame him for fight collapse at all - with the ruling this was always going to hit a wall

I've criticized Fury a lot during this process, look at my first response to this thread. The problem on this site is there are too many fanboys that can't look at things objectively and think whatever side they're on can do no wrong.

So you think it's a good idea to negotiate a fight with a fighter going through a court battle for not honoring a contractual obligation with another fighter just because its 'the biggest fight'? You're asking why is it ****** and naive to try and make a fight with a fighter who may be ordered to honor his contract to fight someone else? If you can't see why that's ****** and don't find it hard to believe that they didn't even consider the arbitration to be a potential roadblock then you're a bigger Hearn fanboy than I thought.

AJ definitely has the right to be pissed but for a guy that is always playing the 'bigger man' and proudly proclaiming that he doesn't trash talk and 'less talk more action' seemed to throw all that away as soon as it was confirmed that he won't be fighting Fury, just an interesting and questionable development.

@ your third bold comment: you're speculating here just as much as me.

@ your fourth bold comment: a day after Warren said Fury hasn't signed yet, Hearn went on Sky news to say it's a done deal, Aug 14th, Saudi. Again, if you don't think that's misleading then your blinded by your fandom of Eddie Hearn. He spent months telling everyone the fight's a done deal when it wasn't even close and you don't think that's misleading and questionable?

Finally, please stop being a fanboy of a promoter, it's really weird.

[soul_survivor]

I've been a Fury fan for a long time. I just think his behaviour post Wlad has been well below champ material. It baffles me that people still fall for it.

• Pulled out of a rematch with Wlad
• Tested positive for PEDs
• Pulled out of an ordered rematch v Wilder
• Requested and then pulled out of an ordered Diamond fight with Whyte
• Pulled out of a contracted rematch (seemingly) with Wilder
• Failed to defend a belt. Ever.

Yet somehow he's the lineal champion, the best in the division, the champion destroyer, the mental health hero... How much more do you need to see? Is anyone starting to contemplate that maybe he's just all the things that you see - someone who pulls out of fights, takes PEDs, breaks contracts, and doesn't defend his belts like a champion should. It's all there right in front of you.

All parties have confirmed there is a contract sitting there waiting to be signed. If he pulls out, he's pulled out. And I say 'duck'.

He hasn't been ordered to fight Wilder. He's been ordered to fight him or pay damages for beach of contract. His choice now.

Fury's team might be disappointed by the outcome, but they won't be completely blindsided. They knew this was a possibility - now we wait to hear what they have to say.

Great post!

the damages his team would have to pay would be less than any step aside money anyway. There may also be an avenue for appeal. Either way, the AJ fight can go ahead if Fury wants it...he doesn't. Reminds me how many top 10 guys he has fought in the last 5 years?

As I posted earlier, AJ should simply freeze Fury out.

[sunny31]

I've criticized Fury a lot during this process, look at my first response to this thread. The problem on this site is there are too many fanboys that can't look at things objectively and think whatever side they're on can do no wrong.

So you think it's a good idea to negotiate a fight with a fighter going through a court battle for not honoring a contractual obligation with another fighter just because its 'the biggest fight'? You're asking why is it ****** and naive to try and make a fight with a fighter who may be ordered to honor his contract to fight someone else? If you can't see why that's ****** and don't find it hard to believe that they didn't even consider the arbitration to be a potential roadblock then you're a bigger Hearn fanboy than I thought.

AJ definitely has the right to be pissed but for a guy that is always playing the 'bigger man' and proudly proclaiming that he doesn't trash talk and 'less talk more action' seemed to throw all that away as soon as it was confirmed that he won't be fighting Fury, just an interesting and questionable development.

@ your third bold comment: you're speculating here just as much as me.

@ your fourth bold comment: a day after Warren said Fury hasn't signed yet, Hearn went on Sky news to say it's a done deal, Aug 14th, Saudi. Again, if you don't think that's misleading then your blinded by your fandom of Eddie Hearn. He spent months telling everyone the fight's a done deal when it wasn't even close and you don't think that's misleading and questionable?

Finally, please stop being a fanboy of a promoter, it's really weird.

Waste of time...