Is anyone actually surprised Fury-AJ has fallen apart?

[QballLobo]

Remains to be seen.
They could work out a step aside fee or they could do the Fury/Wilder fight in the summer and still have unification in the fall when the weather is better for an outdoor stadium event. A lot to work out.

[deathofaclown]

He pulled out of an ordered rematch with Wilder. That's a fact.

As for this latest story with the trilogy fight, none of us know the full circumstances or contractual details. But a retired judge does and decided that he should have honoured the rematch.

I agree with your comments about Wilder disappearing from view. But how much evidence against Fury would you need before you stop thinking that he's not responsible. This stuff follows him around.

Don’t see how you can’t grasp that he didn’t pull out from the rematch when the rematch clause expired?

He was openly posting social media videos asking where Wilder is and if the rematch is happening.

Considering the rematch clause expired last year and the judge has just ordered the rematch to happen five months into this year, Then it’s difficult to say fury backed out of the rematch when he wasn’t legally obligated any more until yesterday. That was the whole point of the case.

Wilder exercise the rematch clause in March 2020 and the rematch clause expired in July 2020. Under normal circumstances he probably should have no claim to a rematch after it expired but they are using Covid as an excuse to why it was delayed.

I’m pretty sure it won’t happen anyway. Fury will just vacate the WBC or Wilder will take a step aside, which is what he wants anyway.

Everybody has a price to step aside and the Saudis will probably pay it via Fury.

the other option is just vacate, How much do they really care about undisputed when there’s $150 million site fees on the table?

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I've been a Fury fan for a long time.

I definitely don’t believe that mate.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

He never pulled out of the rematch with wilder.

the Rematch clause simply expired, And Wilder’s team are blaming Covid as a valid reason why the fight rematch clause should be extended.

You have to ask why Wilder was silent from almost the day he got knocked out until after the clause expired, He spent months and months being silent and never come out and said he wants a rematch.

He doesn’t want to rematch, he just wants this legal thing in place so he can get Stepaside money

I get along with Toffee, but he’s just hates Fury man, he’s trying to say he ducked Whyte FFS.

[KTFOKING]

Am I surprised a big fight fell apart for whatever reason? No I am not.

I just hope going forward we don't have to hear promoters give daily updates and have 20 announcements of the fight being a done deal. If the public wasn't led on like this, then there would have been far less of an outcry. Just let things play out and see how it goes. No need for this in the future.

[!-1]

I'm sure Eddie Hearn had his lawyers analyize the situation and when he was told by them there was a strong possibility that Fury would have to rematch Wilder that's when Eddie really pushed to make this fight knowing it would fall through and he would have an excuse blaming Arum and Warren. Eddie's a snake like that. He doesn't want AJ in the ring with Tyson, that would end his gravy train.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Am I surprised a big fight fell apart for whatever reason? No I am not.

I just hope going forward we don't have to hear promoters give daily updates and have 20 announcements of the fight being a done deal. If the public wasn't led on like this, then there would have been far less of an outcry. Just let things play out and see how it goes. No need for this in the future.

Exactly how I feel mate. Great post.

[billeau2]

I've been a Fury fan for a long time. I just think his behaviour post Wlad has been well below champ material. It baffles me that people still fall for it.

• Pulled out of a rematch with Wlad
• Tested positive for PEDs
• Pulled out of an ordered rematch v Wilder
• Requested and then pulled out of an ordered Diamond fight with Whyte
• Pulled out of a contracted rematch (seemingly) with Wilder
• Failed to defend a belt. Ever.

Yet somehow he's the lineal champion, the best in the division, the champion destroyer, the mental health hero... How much more do you need to see? Is anyone starting to contemplate that maybe he's just all the things that you see - someone who pulls out of fights, takes PEDs, breaks contracts, and doesn't defend his belts like a champion should. It's all there right in front of you.

All parties have confirmed there is a contract sitting there waiting to be signed. If he pulls out, he's pulled out. And I say 'duck'.

He hasn't been ordered to fight Wilder. He's been ordered to fight him or pay damages for beach of contract. His choice now.

Fury's team might be disappointed by the outcome, but they won't be completely blindsided. They knew this was a possibility - now we wait to hear what they have to say.

Well...Lets be fair here shall we?
He had a mental health crisis for one episode (pull out).
He experienced Haye twice pulling out against him.
He is hardly the first fighter to get a positive test
Covid effected the present landscape involving defending the belt.

[billeau2]

Not at all. All the signs for it ****ing up were there but a lot of people chose to ignore it. This is what I posted about this **** up in another thread:

Wow, everyone ****ed up. It ultimately comes down to Fury though, he thought he could bypass that third Wilder fight and either go straight to AJ or fight someone like Kabayel in between. It backfired big time, couldn't get the Kabayel fight over the line and became inactive as a result, delayed the AJ fight from happening and now has to fight Wilder again. If he didn't try to get out of it in December then we'd be talking about the AJ fight but no, Fury's decisions have literally meant that the third Wilder fight got delayed by a year which means everything else gets delayed.

Arum's a clown for telling people that Wilder will get nowhere with the arbitration hearing, Hearn is also an absolute tool for basically telling people the fight is a done deal for about 6 months, pretty much announced the fight a few times and every time Warren would say that nothing's been signed Hearn would counter with an interview basically doubling down that the fight is definitely on. He announced this fight about 3 times last week, this time also giving dates. Everyone was saying that Warren didn't know what was happening but it turns out it was Hearn who had no idea what was going on and was happily running around in his own world completely ignoring and dismissing everything and anything that could jeopardize the fight as 'negativity'. With his foolish fans believing everything he says and calling anyone who brought up the arbitration hearing an 'idiot'. You lot and Hearn were the biggest idiots for thinking it was insignificant.

I'd assume Fury would beat Wilder and AJ would beat Usyk but neither fight is a foregone conclusion to me, AJ-Fury may never take place and the blame should mostly fall on Fury and his team for the dishonest way they move. Kept delaying the Wilder fight talking about 'crowds' until they could have some fans and then they pulled out saying 'it's expired' knowing full well the delays were due to covid. Wilder definitely had a case here but Arum confidently told everyone that he'd get nowhere with it and unfortunately most people, including Hearn believed him.

I think people don't listen to fury then they assume he is being dishonest. Fury said through 95% of the process that he did thought the fight was a longshot. At the last minute he came aboard, but it is his lawyers who have the responsibility to tell him about the arbitration as a hinderance. fury said " I have lawyers to work through this and I pay them a lot of money." I dont think Fury was lying about these developments. I don't pretend to know the basis for Arum's actions... But he was probably working both fight scenarios despite what he said to anyone.

People forget that Arum's responsibility is to his client and no one else...YES he is a scumbag lawyer!!! Not a guy who cares what is best for the fight game or fans. Most people have not worked with lawyers so they do not know how these things work.

[DaNeutral.]

Yeah I am surprised. These fighters and promoters lie all the time but this undisputed business was a massive whopper. I thought it was really happening.