Is anyone actually surprised Fury-AJ has fallen apart?

[Toffee]

So you think it's a good idea to negotiate a fight with a fighter going through a court battle for not honoring a contractual obligation with another fighter just because its 'the biggest fight'?

You could argue it's never worth negotiating with Fury. There's always a high chance things will fall apart.

But who should AJ's team have been negotiating with? Usyk? Charles Martin? Lovejoy? Charr?

It's boxing. At some point you're going to have to deal with these characters to get big fights made.

[786]

You could argue it's never worth negotiating with Fury. There's always a high chance things will fall apart.

But who should AJ's team have been negotiating with? Usyk? Charles Martin? Lovejoy? Charr?

It's boxing. At some point you're going to have to deal with these characters to get big fights made.

I agree with this sentiment but negotiating with a 'character' hasn't got much to do with what I asked:

So you think it's a good idea to negotiate a fight with a fighter going through a court battle for not honoring a contractual obligation with another fighter just because its 'the biggest fight'

Yeah Fury's unpredictable and has proven to be dishonest on more than one occasion, regardless of any of that he was in the middle of a court battle with Wilder for not honouring his contractual obligations to fight him a third time, there was always a possibility that he would be ordered to fight Wilder again. Regardless of his character, is it a good idea to negotiate a fight with someone who's in the middle of legal proceedings and may be ordered to fight someone else? Do you not find it strange that Eddie and matchroom are claiming they didn't even consider or anticipate that the arbitration hearing may stop AJ-Fury from happening? Would it have not been much smarter to wait for that outcome before spending nearly 3-4 months telling the world the fight is done?

That's all I'm saying here. Fury ****ed up big time by trying to bypass the Wilder fight which has caused such a delay not only for him and AJ but guys like Usyk and Joyce who've been waiting around for this so they know what they're doing next. The worst part is, if AJ has Usyk next, it's not a foregone conclusion he wins that and regardless of what most are saying, Wilder still has a shot against Fury. This fight might be completely dead because of Fury and his team's dishonesty and dodgy practices. All that doesn't absolve Eddie of any wrongdoing and my last few posts are merely pointing out (to the people who say he shouldn't be criticized at all) where Eddie messed up and misled.

[Toffee]

I agree with this sentiment but negotiating with a 'character' hasn't got much to do with what I asked:

So you think it's a good idea to negotiate a fight with a fighter going through a court battle for not honoring a contractual obligation with another fighter just because its 'the biggest fight'

Yeah Fury's unpredictable and has proven to be dishonest on more than one occasion, regardless of any of that he was in the middle of a court battle with Wilder for not honouring his contractual obligations to fight him a third time, there was always a possibility that he would be ordered to fight Wilder again. Regardless of his character, is it a good idea to negotiate a fight with someone who's in the middle of legal proceedings and may be ordered to fight someone else? Do you not find it strange that Eddie and matchroom are claiming they didn't even consider or anticipate that the arbitration hearing may stop AJ-Fury from happening? Would it have not been much smarter to wait for that outcome before spending nearly 3-4 months telling the world the fight is done?

That's all I'm saying here. Fury ****ed up big time by trying to bypass the Wilder fight which has caused such a delay not only for him and AJ but guys like Usyk and Joyce who've been waiting around for this so they know what they're doing next. The worst part is, if AJ has Usyk next, it's not a foregone conclusion he wins that and regardless of what most are saying, Wilder still has a shot against Fury. This fight might be completely dead because of Fury and his team's dishonesty and dodgy practices. All that doesn't absolve Eddie of any wrongdoing and my last few posts are merely pointing out (to the people who say he shouldn't be criticized at all) where Eddie messed up and misled.

You didn't answer one of my questions... who should Eddie/AJ have been negotiating with?

You can't just wait. Should they not try to make the all important fight when there's a brief window of opportunity? What would the response have been if they weren't trying to make that fight?

Of course there was a risk negotiating with Fury during a court case. But I'm not sure it was greater than the risk at any other time of Fury just withdrawing, or retiring, or having a physical or mental breakdown. If he's healthy and saying he wants the fight, try to fight him.

You'd have to wonder what the appetite will be like in the future. I reckon Undisputed is gone now... which tells me it was worth having this crack at it.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Your proof Hearn said this fight was done in June 2020 literally was him saying "They do have intermediate fights. There is Dillian Whyte as a mandatory as well, but always the most difficult part of any deal is getting two parties to agree to the financial elements of the deal."

I'm not a fan of any promoter, your bizarre, frankly deluded opinion that its Hearn's fault in some way this fight isn't happening when its obvious to anyone with half a brain or no bias that the problem is completely with Arum/Fury side, might be time to question which of those issues it is effecting you.

Where did I say it was Hearn’s fault?

What I said was he, along with others, lied to the public for 11 months and failed to deliver this fight. Which clearly they did as the fight is NOT HAPPENING.

Whether he said “done”, “ happening”, “it’s on” etc. For 11 months Eddie Hearn implied this fight was happening and evidently it wasn’t. That’s called lying.

Instead of desperately trying to defend Hearn just look at the facts… nobody can deny Hearn, Arum, Fury, AJ and everyone else involve all mislead the public for almost an entire year.

[Apollo7]

I believe it will happen eventually but I'm not surprised it has fallen through at this time. It was never made official, arbitration was still ongoing, Arum and Fury had some negative things to say so I always thought it was kinda 50/50 at this stage.

[786]

You didn't answer one of my questions... who should Eddie/AJ have been negotiating with?

You can't just wait. Should they not try to make the all important fight when there's a brief window of opportunity? What would the response have been if they weren't trying to make that fight?

Of course there was a risk negotiating with Fury during a court case. But I'm not sure it was greater than the risk at any other time of Fury just withdrawing, or retiring, or having a physical or mental breakdown. If he's healthy and saying he wants the fight, try to fight him.

You'd have to wonder what the appetite will be like in the future. I reckon Undisputed is gone now... which tells me it was worth having this crack at it.

Thought it was rhetorical, Eddie should've been working to make the Usyk fight - yeah the fans wouldn't be happy and there'd still be talk of duck this and duck that but ultimately, if Eddie made it clear that Fury's in the middle of a court battle that could hinder the fight while AJ has a mandatory, both fighters are tied up. Have the Usyk fight, by that time it'd be clear what's happening with Fury and Wilder, once that's out of the way revisit Fury-Joshua for the end of the year.

Don't spend months telling the world that the fight is a done deal when it wasn't. That's my criticism of Eddie, he misled and lied multiple times saying it's been signed when it hadn't. I just find it hard to believe that he and everyone at matchroom, his lawyers, advisers etc thought it was good timing to proceed with this fight and didn't consider arbitration getting in the way - if they say, 'we knew and decided it was worth the risk.' Fine, but then why did you not bring this up at all in the last few months you've been telling us the fight is on?

I'll say it again, the camp that lied and misled the most was definitely Fury's, especially with that ridiculous IG post at the end. The fight is not happening because Fury tried to get out of the third Wilder fight when he could've had it in December and we'd be talking about AJ-Fury this July. That doesn't mean Eddie was being honest or transparent during this process and it also doesn't mean he never misled throughout.

I think provided AJ gets past Usyk and Fury gets rid of Wilder, the appetite for the fight will be the same as it is now. I'm just not sure how either side will play it, will they put all the bull**** aside and work to make the fight because of the money involved and importance to the sport or will they continue with their childish and manipulative games through the media?