UFC n mma offically overtakes boxing

[Eff Pandas]

ufc is centralised and has been focused on building a sub-culture from the ground floor with astrong social media focus, without the toxic crap that boxing has inc the corruption, the racism between hispanics, blacks and even whites that plagues the sport.

The UFC having a narrative & culture is a huge plus for them. If boxing had something like that with all the top boxers & outside the ring guys in the game on that 24/7/365 there is no doubt boxing would have more than 1 or 2 big nights a year when all eyes was on it.

And lol you aren't lying with all the racist sh^t in boxing. Idk whats up with boxing fans, but they gotta be among the most racist sports fans if not #1.

you can talk about levels and competitiveness, doesnt mean a lot since levels are relative. it's hard to gauge levels on a sport that's only just found it's feet. for example a guy from cameroon, a guy from nigeria and another from dagestan go top of the foodchain in the ufc without even breaking a sweat..that tells me it is paper thin in talent.

I disagree levels & competitiveness are relative. I mean its relative across sports just cuz its hard to compare that sorta thing, but everyone in the same sport are operating in the same time & space with access to the same knowledge & opportunity to improve & excel. And trust me no one gets to the top in the UFC without breaking a sweat & very very rarely do they get their without taking an L or two. Fook that "guy from Cameroon" started fighting at 25 & didn't win the HW belt til he was 35 after failing massively 3 years ago. He broke a sweat I assure you. In the UFC & MMA in general iron sharpens iron. Everyone at the top of the rankings can compete cuz they've been through the fire, many more times than once. In boxing you never know who can fight or not cuz guys get moved up without fighting ANYONE of note. I could probably list a dozen guys who were -500 or wider favorites all the way to a vacant title shot vs another guy mismatched to lose.

the social media and marketing focus means ufc can quickly built up a star and a rivalry, with a very vocal sub-culture to back it up online.

This promotions build stars thing kills me every time I hear it in boxing, MMA or any other sport for that matter. Stars build themselves. Sure others have a hand in it as no one is self made reallllllllly. But more to the point you're making I agree the UFC helps you show your personality with lotsa content, but I think how they move you competitively vs guys around your same talent & success level is what allows guys to shine faster. Boxing moves guys on that 4 year plan to a title, with 2.5 to 3 years of it being gimmee fights, when you are a golden prospect. In the UFC you can come in as a golden prospect or some random mofo who got in as a late sub & in most divisions if you win fights for 2, 2.5 years in a row you are probably the champion. JBJ is probably the perfect example for that. He got into the UFC & 7 fights & 2.5yrs later he was champion. And anyone who keeps winning will do the same cuz winning means everything when every fight is competitively matched.

imagine boxing's hw division with only whyte and povetkin..and a few other ave guys. Matchroom having the same model they have in the uk, in the US. That fight getting made with all the backing from a powerful network like espn, with millions spent on marketing them.
that's the ufc.

Couldn't disagree more with this comparison. Fighting sells itself honestly. But yea the UFC is a brand so they are gonna throw some money out there to promote their brand. I WISH boxing had a brand that represented the sport & could market the sport like the NFL does for football or the UFC does for MMA.

[Inspired]

Eff Pandas

'the stars build themselves'
the UFC spends $100m+ a year on marketing. All those billboards in every part of the UK i see..who paid for that? think about it i live in a small town in the UK and ive seen ufc ads on billboards in several spots. They're doing this in every town/city in the UK, Ireland and of course in the US and Canada.
You have all the cable tv ads, then you have social media.
That's before we even think about the impact from sponsors.

Ngannou barely has a personality...yet i see him trending on youtube regularly. All im seeing is a guy who's knocked out a few guys, which is fine n all, but come on man? how many guys do that in boxing?


When i talk about the comparison between boxing and mma in terms of the 'level' and skillset, im looking at it from the pov of the evolution of a sport over time. Every generation learns from the previous, so the 'level' is compounded on the advances in knowledge and skillset over.
UFC will develop to greater heights in future and trust me you'll look back like these were primitive times where any guy with balls could go in and put up a good fight.

[BodyBagz]

Is this thread an attempt to rub the perceived MMA/UFC takeover in the faces of boxing fans ?

If you just love the shlt out of that sport....

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/n...rts-discussion

[Eff Pandas]

Eff Pandas

'the stars build themselves'
the UFC spends $100m+ a year on marketing. All those billboards in every part of the UK i see..who paid for that? think about it i live in a small town in the UK and ive seen ufc ads on billboards in several spots. They're doing this in every town/city in the UK, Ireland and of course in the US and Canada.
You have all the cable tv ads, then you have social media.
That's before we even think about the impact from sponsors.

Ngannou barely has a personality...yet i see him trending on youtube regularly. All im seeing is a guy who's knocked out a few guys, which is fine n all, but come on man? how many guys do that in boxing?

Francis gots a great story. If this guy don't get a book deal or has one already I'd be shocked. And show me all the guys who do what Francis does in boxing at the level he's doing it at. Think he's KO'd 4 or 5 top ten guys in like 3 minutes total in the last few years before Stipe made it to the second round. Thats prime late 80's Mike Tyson sh^t & not a whole lot of Mike Tyson's in boxing.

And yea like I said with the marketing the UFC is a brand. So yea they are hyping that brand worldwide cuz they are trying to go global over the coming decades. They've been adding new countries on their schedule every year basically. And boxing could do that & would do that if they were smart enough to make a real elite league of high level boxers who actually fight each other rather than live in a constant state of marination.

When i talk about the comparison between boxing and mma in terms of the 'level' and skillset, im looking at it from the pov of the evolution of a sport over time. Every generation learns from the previous, so the 'level' is compounded on the advances in knowledge and skillset over.
UFC will develop to greater heights in future and trust me you'll look back like these were primitive times where any guy with balls could go in and put up a good fight.

Every sport is evolving & getting better. I don't see that as relevant to anything. Same with boxing, although I know we got a lot of history forum guys who think all the old timey mofos would beat anyone, anytime, anywhere if we had a time machine exclusively to make boxing matches with. So I don't disagree that MMA is evolving more cuz its a newer sport & things are still being figured out & edging more towards attempting to get to a more perfect style, but that don't mean anything cuz everyone is living in today so its not like its not an even playing field. I mean you can say every boxer in year 2342 could beat everyones ass today, but I mean who gives a fook & why would you give a fook about that? Its a silly thing to suggest things suck now cuz the guys of the future will be better having learned from all the mistakes made already & not yet made.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Boxing has purse bids, people don't fight.

Dana would have had Manny and Floyd fight at age 28--30 if they had been in UFC.

These are sad facts. "MARINATING" --I will not wait for fights to marinate anymore, I lose interest.

Would he though? Silva-GSP, Brock-Fedor, Couture-Fedor, Couture-Cro Cop, Aldo-Pettis etc etc.

There’s many super fights Dana failed to deliver. This whole the best fight the best instantly in UFC is just a myth and is a marketing ploy Dana uses incredibly effectively to manipulate the casual market.

People need to remember this! When #1 fights #2 in the UFC that’s only the one and two in the UFC’s own organisational rankings which are no better than the WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO etc’s individual rankings. UFC rankings reflect the UFC’s agenda they don’t reflect the entire sport of MMA. The same way the WBC rankings reflect the WBC’s agenda and not the entire sport of boxing.

I’m an MMA fan and UFC produce better cards than anyone but the notion that UFC consistently have the best fighting the best is complete and utter bullsh** tbh.

[TMLT87]

Eff Pandas

Ngannou barely has a personality...yet i see him trending on youtube regularly. All im seeing is a guy who's knocked out a few guys, which is fine n all, but come on man? how many guys do that in boxing?

Hes 6'4, 260+lbs of muscle and has knocked out his last 5 opponents in the equivalent of less than 3 boxing rounds, three of them in less than a minute, two in less than 30 seconds, and these are actual high level opponents we are talking about.

[TMLT87]

a guy from cameroon, a guy from nigeria and another from dagestan go top of the foodchain in the ufc without even breaking a sweat..that tells me it is paper thin in talent.

What does it tell you when Tyson Fury becomes consensus no1 ranked HW and gets hyped up as an ATG off of beating 40 year old Wlad 5 years ago and Deontay Wilder?

[Dip_Slide]

I think Floyd/Pac was the turning point. The way that fight was built with them fighting a lot of the same opponents etc kept people interested for a long time. Then after like 6-7 years of milking the **** out of it they finally let go of the ace in the hole, and by that time its two guys pushing 40, and it sucks. Then a few months after that Floyd more or less retires and Conor knocks out Aldo in 13 seconds. Since then the Canelo/GGG fights and Fury/Wilder 2 are pretty much the only fights in almost 6 years that have moved the needle to the same extent that a typical Floyd or Pac fight would in like 2007-15, or a typical Conor fight does today.

A lot of young fighters came on the scene after 2015 but except for the heavyweights and Canelo, they didn't have a passing of the torch moment by beating an old superstar and even when they had good performances against the best opposition, the promotion was poor that people didn't know about the fight and more importantly after the fight, these young fighters typically go on 1 year layoffs or even longer where whatever fanbase they built has almost completely forgot about them by then, then they basically had to start from scratch.

Letting fights "marinate" when both fighters aren't household names is dumb because people stop caring after a while, fights are "expiring" and sometimes fighters unexpectedly lose right before our eyes and nothing is being done about it. It all comes down to the chaotic organizations in boxing who are fueled by greed.

[Dakuwaqa]

Boxing has the worst fans in all of sports. Everyone is a bum, cherry picking or overrated in a boxing fans eyes. Fans are mostly race obsessed morons.

UFC has much more unity.

[TMLT87]

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the UFC spends $100m+ a year on marketing. All those billboards in every part of the UK i see..who paid for that? think about it i live in a small town in the UK and ive seen ufc ads on billboards in several spots. They're doing this in every town/city in the UK, Ireland and of course in the US and Canada.
You have all the cable tv ads, then you have social media.
That's before we even think about the impact from sponsors.

The UFC may be good at marketing, but once the eyes are on it the product itself delivers too. You could argue that boxing only reigned supreme for so long because it had no viable competitor. Its only been during the 2010s when mainstream media finally felt comfortable jumping on board with MMA and covering it like a normal sport. Now they're pretty much at a point of equal coverage/exposure/treatment and lets face it, you show the average neutral person who could become a potential fan of either a typical boxing or UFC card and they're generally going to be won over by the latter. Yes, you get a Chocolatito/Estrada, Cheeseman/Metcalf, Zepeda/Baranchyk etc every now and then in boxing but on average MMA is obviously more entertaining. Some boxing (only) fans try to rationalize it with pretentious arguments about how artful and "sophisticated" boxing is etc etc but at the end of the day its just hard for boxing to compete with this kind of unpredictable, dynamic, eye catching, flashy violence head to head on a week by week basis....

I mean thats from one promotion, in the opening quarter of this year for ****s sake.