If AJ came up through the 90s how would he have done?

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  • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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    #31
    Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

    How many of the fighters who fought in the '90s are Hall of Famers?

    How many of today's crop will make it in? It's probably to early to tell yet but that seems like a good way to compare the eras.
    Great post.......

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      #32
      Originally posted by Sun_Tzu

      It may be but it was very deep. There are really only a few HWs today that would have been on Tuesday Night Fights undercards. Bert Cooper would run rough shod over most of the guys fighting today. Todays HW division is bereft of talent.

      I think it's completely the other way around.
      In the 90s era you had Evan Fields on steds. Mike Tyson living in cloud cuckoo land. Lennox Lewis was in his prime from 97-99 and then he seemed to just get boring, slow down. Bowe and Tua were bad mofos for sure, real tough guys.

      My dad used to buy the vhs casettes the day after the fight from the video store guy and we would watch them, so although i wasnt big on boxing i certainly did watch the big fights. I didnt know about guys like Bert Cooper, but looking at his record, it's no good so you're way off there.

      People say the guys were tougher back then, but look at oliver mccall in the Lewis rematch, that is insane what he did. Frank bruno would look impressive and then fall apart.
      The hw's were on ave smaller back then, but the one key element was that when they fought, they fought toe to toe and not defensive. They were trading shots, that's the one element i liked. A lot of the fights these days are basic jab, jab, jab..

      Anyway i always resort to this
      AJ, Fury, Wilder, Whyte, Ruiz, Ortiz, Joe Joyce, Dubois, Parker, Hrgovic, Usyk, Hunter, Povetkin..
      there's a list that's just keeps getting longer

      the truth is, if Wilder had delivered on his end and not fought so many bums, youwould have a different view. The others have been delivering and fighting each other, even joyce vs dubois recently was a quality fight.
      You're saying these guys wouldnt stand a chance vs the 90s guys? come off it man..guys like hasim rahman would be torched bread in this era, in the same camp as the likes of charles martin, complete trash.

      this generation has a lot more to deliver though, the above list need to all fight each other but i doubt it. can you see wilder, ruiz, ortiz, fighting the other guys if it isnt a big money fight?
      you know, like Hunter vs Ortiz as a random example, would it even happen? why is it Wilder isnt even mentioning Hunter when they're both american? surely they should be a big deal?
      if Hunter was british we'd already be talking about Joshua/Whyte etc fighting him in a big domestic ppv fight.


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        #33
        Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

        How many of the fighters who fought in the '90s are Hall of Famers?

        How many of today's crop will make it in? It's probably to early to tell yet but that seems like a good way to compare the eras.
        There are 4 belts today compared to 3 back then since the Bob Arum has bamboozled the public into accepting the WBO as a major title, Think about this, Herbie Hide is 2 time HW champ and Michael Moorer is a 3x champ since we have to go back and rewrite the history books. There are no other 3x hw champs not in the hall of fame so Moorer deserves to be there(actually he doesn't, but this is what we get with multiple bs titles). The hw division today is as bad as it has ever been. It was pretty bad during Wlad's reighn, but it's gotten worse. Deontay Wilder would have been Courage Tsabalala in the 90s with his rudimentary 1-2..

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          #34
          Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

          How many of the fighters who fought in the '90s are Hall of Famers?
          Loads of shethouse fighters in there.

          Winky, McGuigan, Mancini, Gatti, Nelson, Hill, Fenech, Johansson, and Jung Koo Chang do not belong in the HOF.

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            #35
            Originally posted by buddyr
            he wouldn't have even beat Herbie Hide. Mercer does him worse than Ruiz and Bowe or Lewis stops him in 2 rounds or less. In the 90s, he'd pretty much be what Bruno was at the end of his career. A big guy with a good punch. He'd beat Michael Grant though
            He cleans out Hide & Bruno in a round. I'd pick him to beat up Bowe too.

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              #36
              Roid era loaded with overrated boxers.

              Wilder & AJ beat everyone not named Lennox, Holyfeld & Tyson.

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                Temporary gatekeeper at best

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                • Zelda
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                  #38
                  It would have played out quite differently. I will be assuming he is looking for good fights by the early 90s.

                  AJ has been too stationary, robotic, and predictable in his entire career except maybe his last Ruiz fight. So, first things first...he would have had multiple KO losses in his early career to people like Razor Ruddock, Bowe, or even Bruno. Secondly, however, you are as good as the competition and after the losses, AJ would have adapted and trained harder much earlier in his career and stop being a bodybuilding model. So, he would have matured earlier and found some success in the later years.

                  In short, I would say early KO losses but a comeback to be in the top 10 but probably not a top 3-4 until maybe much later in the 90s when Holyfield, Lewis, and Tyson were in decline.

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                    #39
                    I'm going to say both Tyson and Holyfield would have lost to both AJ and Fury. Too small.

                    Lewis was exceptional. The rest - just exciting.

                    90s is massively overrated. Good era, but not golden.

                    If we get... two Wilder/Fury fights and 2 AJ/Fury fights. Then it's a better era. The 90s fights were largely when one or both were past their best.

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                      #40
                      He would be Luis Ortiz little bi...

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