Comments Thread For: Fury's Father Tears Apart Wilder, Offers Job To Breland

[davefromvancouv]

Extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary proof. We know for a fact that certain examinations took place regarding the gloves both fighters wore... There is no credible evidence to the contrary. Wilder's injuries reflected the beating he took in the ring. And according to Wilder a whole bunch of crazy things happened: he was exhausted by a costume, a trainer, who seemingly acted in his best interest, drugged his water... Yet no drug test has verified this... And Fury had something in his glove. This would be a remarkable conspiracy now wouldn't it? But Wilder has yet to show proof of any of these claims so they are ridiculous.

Then Fury would have nothing to worry about. Just work his magic and do the same thing again: except this time, pull in a 60/40 split of the proceeds, then move on to bigger and better things. Quick, easy and lucrative...

Instead of what he's actually doing. Paying lawyers to deal with mediation talks and arbitration proceedings, staying out of the ring for over a year, doing everything he can to NOT fight Wilder. And if Wilder wins arbitration, pay Wilder if Fury decides to fight someone else. Or even retire. Hold up his career to avoid Wilder at all costs.

These are not the actions of someone who appeared to beat up his opponent with ease. These are the actions of someone who has something to hide. Someone who, in a fair fight, might not perform as well as he did the last time.

Wilder believes he was cheated and he wants to take it out on Fury in the ring. Fury is being difficult so arbitration is his only recourse. Until the judge decides, Fury is unavailable for any other fight. It's as simple as that.

[billeau2]

Then Fury would have nothing to worry about. Just work his magic and do the same thing again: except this time, pull in a 60/40 split of the proceeds, then move on to bigger and better things. Quick, easy and lucrative...

Instead of what he's actually doing. Paying lawyers to deal with mediation talks and arbitration proceedings, staying out of the ring for over a year, doing everything he can to NOT fight Wilder. And if Wilder wins arbitration, pay Wilder if Fury decides to fight someone else. Or even retire. Hold up his career to avoid Wilder at all costs.

These are not the actions of someone who appeared to beat up his opponent with ease. These are the actions of someone who has something to hide. Someone who, in a fair fight, might not perform as well as he did the last time.

Wilder believes he was cheated and he wants to take it out on Fury in the ring. Fury is being difficult so arbitration is his only recourse. Until the judge decides, Fury is unavailable for any other fight. It's as simple as that.

Your making assumptions about a process that we, the general public is just not Privy too. That is always my problem with discussing contracts, and why I seldom take a point of view. I think the last contract related issue I held an opinion about was when Bowe threw the belt in the trashcan rather than fight Lewis. There are a lot of moving parts to these processes with promoters probably causing most of the real effects on the fighting process.

Purely from the perspective of a fan, if these guys all fought each other none of these issues would matter. When Aundrey Ward won a round robin for the super middle weight title it was a great day...the best had competed and we had a winner with no caveats.

Wilder is not acting in a rational manner, he has made many accusations. Fury also has openly said he respects Wilder's power and might want to try to fight Joshua which would be a more defining fight for him at this point. Put yourself in Fury's shoes... he may have lost a few rounds in total for both fights to Wilder, yet almost lost that first fight. If i were Fury I would rather risk that after fighting Joshua. I don't claim to know this is what Fury is planning... But all factors being equal that is how I would think about it.

The promoters want people to pay high prices for few fights these days. Arum is more poison to the sport than even Don King, who at least used to present good cards, though at the expense of the fighters (not a fan of King). But Arum and the rest of these sycophants are really guided by self interest and the fighters have to work through the promoters.

[davefromvancouv]

Your making assumptions about a process that we, the general public is just not Privy too. That is always my problem with discussing contracts, and why I seldom take a point of view. I think the last contract related issue I held an opinion about was when Bowe threw the belt in the trashcan rather than fight Lewis. There are a lot of moving parts to these processes with promoters probably causing most of the real effects on the fighting process.

Purely from the perspective of a fan, if these guys all fought each other none of these issues would matter. When Aundrey Ward won a round robin for the super middle weight title it was a great day...the best had competed and we had a winner with no caveats.

Wilder is not acting in a rational manner, he has made many accusations. Fury also has openly said he respects Wilder's power and might want to try to fight Joshua which would be a more defining fight for him at this point. Put yourself in Fury's shoes... he may have lost a few rounds in total for both fights to Wilder, yet almost lost that first fight. If i were Fury I would rather risk that after fighting Joshua. I don't claim to know this is what Fury is planning... But all factors being equal that is how I would think about it.

The promoters want people to pay high prices for few fights these days. Arum is more poison to the sport than even Don King, who at least used to present good cards, though at the expense of the fighters (not a fan of King). But Arum and the rest of these sycophants are really guided by self interest and the fighters have to work through the promoters.

Fury signed a contract with a rematch clause. He doesn't want to honor it. Wilder is going through the legal channels to make sure he does. If the arbitration judge agrees, Fury is legally obligated to fight Wilder, or pay a substantial portion of his purse if he doesn't.

It doesn't sound complicated to me.

[billeau2]

Fury signed a contract with a rematch clause. He doesn't want to honor it. Wilder is going through the legal channels to make sure he does. If the arbitration judge agrees, Fury is legally obligated to fight Wilder, or pay a substantial portion of his purse if he doesn't.

It doesn't sound complicated to me.

If it does not sound complicated to you, your probably missing something. In Kill Bill when the main protagonist encounters Lucy Lu and dispatches a few of Lui's henchmen her and Lu have the following dialogue Lui says "You did not think it would be that easy did you?" Protagonist "Actually for a moment I did." And alas half of Japan/Tiawan is thrown against the protagonist in quite the skirmish.

Contracts often have many clauses legally, and some may be a loophole, etc. There might be a damage payment of sorts for violating the contract that makes the penalty better than fufilling the contract. There might be conduct on the part of Wilder that makes the contract voidable. You seem to believe in a theory of motivations yes? You stated before "well if Fury has nothing to hide, no fear, why would he not fight the third fight?" You said this was evidence of possible malfeasence on the part of Fury yes? Well... taking your theory to its natural conclusion one might ask: "If there is an ironclad contract that cannot be broken, why would Fury take the contract to arbitration?" Sauce for the goose is good for the gander...

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[Cool Scant]

He is Canadian... lol. I do not know about the rematch clause... I always hope the best will fight the best, and it happens less and less these days unfortunately.

I don't know why a Canadian would lie on Wilder... But I agree Robbie Barrett is ******

[davefromvancouv]

If it does not sound complicated to you, your probably missing something. In Kill Bill when the main protagonist encounters Lucy Lu and dispatches a few of Lui's henchmen her and Lu have the following dialogue Lui says "You did not think it would be that easy did you?" Protagonist "Actually for a moment I did." And alas half of Japan/Tiawan is thrown against the protagonist in quite the skirmish.

Contracts often have many clauses legally, and some may be a loophole, etc. There might be a damage payment of sorts for violating the contract that makes the penalty better than fufilling the contract. There might be conduct on the part of Wilder that makes the contract voidable. You seem to believe in a theory of motivations yes? You stated before "well if Fury has nothing to hide, no fear, why would he not fight the third fight?" You said this was evidence of possible malfeasence on the part of Fury yes? Well... taking your theory to its natural conclusion one might ask: "If there is an ironclad contract that cannot be broken, why would Fury take the contract to arbitration?" Sauce for the goose is good for the gander...

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Wilder took the contract to arbitration because Fury was trying to get out of it. As a result, Fury is tied up until the judge makes a decision. This can take up to 6 months (or longer). Any talk of future fights for Fury is just that. Talk.

[Monty Fisto]

Extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary proof. We know for a fact that certain examinations took place regarding the gloves both fighters wore... There is no credible evidence to the contrary. Wilder's injuries reflected the beating he took in the ring. And according to Wilder a whole bunch of crazy things happened: he was exhausted by a costume, a trainer, who seemingly acted in his best interest, drugged his water... Yet no drug test has verified this... And Fury had something in his glove. This would be a remarkable conspiracy now wouldn't it? But Wilder has yet to show proof of any of these claims so they are ridiculous.

Hold on there for just a minute, this is far too close to common sense. Wilder said so. C'mon, you have to take his word for it.

[Monty Fisto]

Fury signed a contract with a rematch clause. He doesn't want to honor it. Wilder is going through the legal channels to make sure he does. If the arbitration judge agrees, Fury is legally obligated to fight Wilder, or pay a substantial portion of his purse if he doesn't.

It doesn't sound complicated to me.

Fury signed a contract with a rematch clause that has expired. End of story. Wilder does not get to monopolise Fury's career ad infinitum because he is a bad loser.

[Monty Fisto]

Wilder took the contract to arbitration because Fury was trying to get out of it. As a result, Fury is tied up until the judge makes a decision. This can take up to 6 months (or longer). Any talk of future fights for Fury is just that. Talk.

Wilder took the contract to arbitration because that was the strongest legal mechanism which his team viewed as viable. Fury is not tied up in the way you are making out. The default is not that you are restricted from making a living. If a court has issued a ruling him from making a living, maybe you could kindly share it with us.

[billeau2]

Wilder took the contract to arbitration because Fury was trying to get out of it. As a result, Fury is tied up until the judge makes a decision. This can take up to 6 months (or longer). Any talk of future fights for Fury is just that. Talk.

Well... yeah Fury is trying to get out of it... And his legal representatives probably think they have a recourse for doing so. None of us here know what that recourse is, thats a fact.