Roach: "Pacquiao Doesn't Need Cotto Without The Belt"

[Dave Rado]

it des'nt make a difference how much a fighter weighs as long as he's under the limit and over the limit of the weight class thats under it.this is a legit welterweight title fight,period. mayweather did'nt come in at 154 for the de la hoya fight. he came in at 150 and kicked that ass. cottos belt should be on the line.

Mayweather did not ask De La Hoya to come in below the Jnr Middleweight limit. That example you gave undermines the point you're trying to make. Mayweather beat De La Hoya when DLH was able to fight at his best weight. That's why it deserved to be for a title and why this one doesn't.

[Dave Rado]

everybody keeps crying the if the title is on the line then it should be at 147. 147 is just the dam limit.

Exactly - if the title is on the line, the limit should be 147. They can weigh whatever they like up to the limit, but if they set a lower limit then it shouldn't be a title fight.

[Dave Rado]

here the thing that alot of people fail to realize that if pac wins which is highly likely that if another welter weight challenge him for the title that fighter will not be able to fight a 147 and this is according to pac bull **** rules and that is total bull ****. thats why cotto should not put the title on the line. if the fighter cant choose to come in at 141-147 with out weight restrictions then he is fighting for some made up bull **** title.

Well put. ........

[Bhopreign]

Exactly - if the title is on the line, the limit should be 147. They can weigh whatever they like up to the limit, but if they set a lower limit then it shouldn't be a title fight.

Which is common sense, only a Pac man woudl argue otherwise.

[Dave Rado]

If Manny is thinking legacy he should had picked Mosley or Berto and they can probably surrender to him and fight for the WW title violating the Championship Recognized rules. For Cotto is not about the Title (he was willing to vacant the title) and it's not about the money (he's willing to pay the fees if the title is on the line UP TO 147 like the WBO regulation states) it's about principles and with this he's teaching Pacman''s team, Arum and the WBO that in the sport there are still some classy straight up boxers, and their should be more boxers like Cotto to clean up the sport.

I agree, major props to Cotto for taking this stand.

[ThunderWolf]

I agree, major props to Cotto for taking this stand.

It`s like poker. I figure this is just a temporary stand, considering that Pacquiao hasn`t signed any contracts yet. We shall see if pac doesn`t sign and cotto maintains that stand.

[Dave Rado]

nobody is violating **** man.....its been done over and over before....you act like you know the rules better than the wbo sanctioning bodies...

It's been done before but only because both fighters agreed to it those times - the sanctioning bodies can't force a fighter put his title on the line if it's a catchweight fight. And it was bull**** every time it happened in the past. Just because bad things have happened in the past, that isn't a reason why they should happen again. Cotto deserves major props for taking this stand. And as for knowing the WBO rules better than the WBO, their rules are published on the web, and prsi has linked to them several times - why don't you try reading them?

[Dave Rado]

Another nonsense, how come it's not fair 145lb catch weight...Pac has a bigger risks to consider 5lbs while Cotto has only 2lbs to overcome...

You're missing the point. It's bull**** to call yourself the world Welterweight Champion if you don't think you can beat any top Welterweights at their own weight.

[RightCross94]

Cotto is rightly sticking to his guns. I think it's more Freddie than Manny making a deal out of this. Freddie Roach is a ****ing *******, great trainer but he comes off looking more of a **** every time pac fights or negotiates

[Dave Rado]

Cotto is rightly sticking to his guns. I think it's more Freddie than Manny making a deal out of this. Freddie Roach is a ****ing *******, great trainer but he comes off looking more of a **** every time pac fights or negotiates

Every time? I don't recall any ***** moves by Roach in any of Manny's previous fights. And in any case, you and I have no idea whether it's really Roach, or whether it's Pac's other advisers, or whether it's primarily the WBO themselves, who are really to blame for this.

I doubt Roach is the main culprit because he is rarely involved in the negotiations, and the article says: "Pacquiao's lawyer Franklin Gacal tried to shift the blame on Top Rank's Bob Arum for announcing the fight before Manny and his team had a chance to review the official contract." That implies to me that it's probably Pac's lawyer and his other advisers more than Roach who are really behind this.