Roach: "Pacquiao Doesn't Need Cotto Without The Belt"

[Stickman]

^ @stickman, Since when would losing to the pound for pound best fighter on the planet be a career ender?

Depends on how he lost. If he gets KO'd early like Hatton did, he can pretty much call it a day, at least for a few years, if not permanently. If it's a wide decision, maybe not as bad, but it'll hurt him badly and his earning potential goes to **** for awhile.

The only way a loss to Pacman wouldn't hurt him is if it were extremely competetive throughout, and he lost by a slim or controversial decision.

[don miguel]

Cotto didnt make clottey come in at 146. manny can come in at any weight he wants between 141 to 147, but why restrict the other man from making 147(the welterweight limit)? He wants the 147lb title right?

cotto is too big for manny. manny is barely a jw. roach is looking after manny's health.

[don miguel]

Depends on how he lost. If he gets KO'd early like Hatton did, he can pretty much call it a day, at least for a few years, if not permanently. If it's a wide decision, maybe not as bad, but it'll hurt him badly and his earning potential goes to **** for awhile.

The only way a loss to Pacman wouldn't hurt him is if it were extremely competetive throughout, and he lost by a slim or controversial decision.

You're right that it depends on how he looses. But i don't think anybody get KO'd in 2 rounds. This is war

[Stickman]

You're right that it depends on how he looses. But i don't think anybody get KO'd in 2 rounds. This is war

Let's hope not. I'll be buying this one, and don't want to get screwed by too early a finish.

[don miguel]

Let's hope not. I'll be buying this one, and don't want to get screwed by too early a finish.

Unless somebody is hit by a lucky punch, this will be a long war. Manny will respect Cotto's power and won't rush in. Cotto will study Manny's speed and won't rush in.

[jetgeomcx]

Exactly - if the title is on the line, the limit should be 147. They can weigh whatever they like up to the limit, but if they set a lower limit then it shouldn't be a title fight.

disagree....
145 is within the welterweight range, with 147 as max.
both fyters can agree to a catchweight, not necessarily fyt the limit and still fyt for the belt/title.
wbo or wbc, ibf can sanction the title fyt within the division range, nothing wrong with that.
several title fyts in the past were fought at catchweights!!
catchweight is nothing new....there were precedents.

[Beater_of_ass]

no i'm not!!
and i never said that....
we want manny to win the belt at 147 legit.
but the 145 is not that debilitating to cotto..he can easily make 145.
cotto will be 160 come fytnyt...against manny at 148.

now, i am only arguing on the merits of all the discussions.
i am trying to state facts....but others keep on sidetracking...
even attacking the persona of some posters.
and then i can't help myself but to join in the mud...just lately in my last post!!

That's how boxing works... Some guys gain more weigh than others and use power to win fights, others come in weighing less and use speed to win. If they both weigh in the night before under or at the limit then its fair game as to how much weight they gain back, that's boxing and I've never heard any complaints till Paq came along.

[Beater_of_ass]

whats the difference??? title or not you agreed to fight MAnny. FIGHT!! If you are sure you can beat him... why not? If you gonna give it away any way, why not fight for it and get the biggest pay day of your life? Manny already agreed @145 and so did Cotto! If Cotto dont want to give up the title, than Go down to 140 Cotto ,for your 15 million.... chicken****!!!

IF COTTO WAS NOT WORRIED ABOUT LOSING...IT WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE. MR INSECURITY!!!!

Seriously, you need to read what you put. I know you try to prove your thwarted view point as best you can, but then you put things like this that help our argument. Cotto agreed to fight Manny at 145 which is what Manny agreed to, now, all of a sudden Manny wants the belt on the line after he stated the fight was at 145 no title. It was MANNY who mentioned the title after Cotto already AGREED to 145, so the statement I bolded is what MANNY needs to do, not Cotto.

Cotto's already said "I'll fight you(Manny), under all the circumstances you've asked for. You got the advantage with money, you chose the date, you chose the place and you even chose to have a catch weight, which I agreed with." "After we've both agreed you then say you want the title on the line at 145?" Cotto feels like he's giving up enough, which he has, and he's not even saying he won't fight at a catch weight or a title, all he is saying is... "I've given you everything you wanted, I'll fight you, however, I won't fight at a catchweight and for the title." Its funny, the second Manny doesn't get his way or isn't in the drivers seat its everyone else being a *****, Pac-fans never seize to amaze me.

[Beater_of_ass]

clottey outlanded cotto by almost 65 pounches does that sound like a winner to you?????? they gave cotto a gift decision in order to set up this ****** and almost meaningless fight.

Watch the fight again bro, please. Just because you land more doesn't mean you automatically win the fight. The last two rounds Clottey didn't even throw a combined 65 punches, it just means he had very strong rounds, which does not equate to winning an entire fight.

[jetgeomcx]

[QUOTE=PoetryInMotion;5807790]Cotto didnt make clottey come in at 146. manny can come in at any weight he wants between 141 to 147, but why restrict the other man from making 147(the welterweight limit)? He wants the 147lb title right?[/QUOTE]

just a clarification....it is not a "147" title ....
manny wants the WW belt...140.05 - 147 lbs range.