Paul Williams Stills Aiming To Land Sergei Dzinziruk

[Iceta]

Exactly my point.

The Williams huggers dont see the irony in saying "no one will fight him" a few months ago and now saying "why should he fight Clottey, a top Welterweight".....lol

What you're accusing Paul Williams of doing is the same exact thing that Joe Calzaghe did his whole career. Joe just sat in his comfy confines in Wales fighting nobodies and wondering why proven P4P fighters like Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins won't give him the time of day. I know Calzaghe isn't really in this equation. But you're contradicting yourself by accusing some of the posters on here who like Paul Williams constantly complain about him being ducked, and yet you defend Calzaghe for the same exact thing. In fact, Williams isn't even avoiding anybody, and yet you're putting your foot in your mouth by claiming he is. I will be fine with a fight against either Sergei D. or Joshua Clottey. The guy can't fight both of those boxers in one night.

[Dave Rado]

Paul Williams not only looks like the biggest ***** since:



but he also looks like this:

[Iceta]

But for him to claim that Clottey is not of significance is absolutely ridiculous and makes him look bad and like he's ducking, especially as HBO is keen on financing the fight this time. Clottey is rated #3 at Welterweight by The Ring. Many respected boxing analysts thought Clottey did just enough to win against Cotto. Williams has been saying for ages that he is still a natural Welterweight and that he'll drop down to Welterweight the moment any of the top fighters agrees to fight him. He's also been saying that none of them will fight him because they're all too scared. Clottey is one of the top Welterweights, and he has called Williams' bluff. By trying to avoid a fight with Clottey now that Clottey has called him out, Williams looks like the biggest ***** since Felix the Cat. I hope HBO can talk some sense into him.

I agree with you that in any normal circumstances, Dzinziruk would also be a good opponent for him; but in these specific circumstances, if he fights Dzinziruk, it will look like he's blatantly ducking Clottey, and for that reason it will do his reputation nothing but harm.

Let's just say what you are posting has a little bit of truth to it. Even so, what if Williams decided to fight Clottey? Hell, we've had to hear this garbage about how Paul is ducking Sergei D. And if Williams fought Clottey, people would bring up the fact that he's coming off a loss, and that he is Cotto's left overs. Hell, most of the Cotto fans don't even give Paul credit for beating Margarito, and they just assume Margarito was plaster free in that fight since he lost.

[Walt Liquor]

I think it could help him both ways. If he fights Sergei Dzinziruk
at 154 and wins a title in that division it definitely up his status
because prior to being a champ Sergei is an undefeated fighter
in that division so it definitely plays a big factor in that aspect.
Clottey could be good because if Paul was to destroy Clottey
(Which no one has) then it would make him more of a P4P
great because he would done what Cotto couldn't and that's
beat Clottey convincingly. I have no doubt that Paul Williams
would beat the crap out of Clottey just off the strength that
Clottey work rate offensively is weak at best and Paul wouldn't
give Clottey NO CHANCE to counter punch. I say either fight
for Paul is a + for his career.

Agree 100% grust. Serg is undefeated and has a w over Santos. Winner of that fight should be ring champ or ring #1 at 154. That is a very good fight. Ultimately, becoming the man at 154 will give pwill more leverage to challenge a mw, or a reason for a top ww to move up after manny retires. If clottey was ranked at 154, it might make sense, but if pwill beats clottey at 147, no one there is gonna fight him. Pwill smokes clottey anyway.

If he beats serg maybe he can take on someone like cintron or spinks if the fight or clottey if he beats someone at 154.

Champ, you are tripping. You really think clottey can f with pwill?

[Dave Rado]

What you're accusing Paul Williams of doing is the same exact thing that Joe Calzaghe did his whole career.

No, Calzaghe doesn't have a great resume, but there was no point in his career where he was offered a fight against someone of Clottey's calibre and turned it down on the basis that in his opinion the opponent was undeserving, so your analogy is completely irrelevant to the topic. It's the fact that Williams has constantly claimed in the past year that all of the top Welterweights are too scared to fight him, and that he would move back to Welterweight the moment that any one of them agreed to fight him, and then, the moment his bluff is called by Clottey, he (or to be fair, Goossen, but presumably with his approval) responds by dissing Clottey and saying that he is undeserving of a fight with him - that's what sticks in the craw. It's the sheer hypocrisy of it.

I will be fine with a fight against either Sergei D. or Joshua Clottey. The guy can't fight both of those boxers in one night.

All he had to say was that the negotiations with Dzinziruk are so far advanced that he doesn't want to change his plans now, but that he'll fight him first and then Clottey. But by saying instead that Clottey doesn't deserve a fight with him, which is patently ridiculous, just makes him look like he's ducking. If you have even a shred of open-mindedness, you'll admit that was a ****** and counter-productive thing for Goossen to to say.

[Walt Liquor]

Let's just say what you are posting has a little bit of truth to it. Even so, what if Williams decided to fight Clottey? Hell, we've had to hear this garbage about how Paul is ducking Sergei D. And if Williams fought Clottey, people would bring up the fact that he's coming off a loss, and that he is Cotto's left overs. Hell, most of the Cotto fans don't even give Paul credit for beating Margarito, and they just assume Margarito was plaster free in that fight since he lost.

Ice, not to mention, what happens if he beats Clottey at 147??? He'll just be avoided again. Rado is wrong on this. How is it ducking when pwill has a belt at 154 and serg probably is the #1 jmw. Rado, are fighters supposed to fight everyone who calls him out, even if it doesn't make sense.

[Iceta]

No, Calzaghe doesn't have a great resume, but there was no point in his career where he was offered a fight against someone of Clottey's calibre and turned it down on the basis that in his opinion the opponent was undeserving, so your analogy is completely irrelevant to the topic. It's the fact that Williams has constantly claimed in the past year that all of the top Welterweights are too scared to fight him, and that he would move back to Welterweight the moment that any one of them agreed to fight him, and then, the moment his bluff is called by Clottey, he (or to be fair, Goossen, but presumably with his approval) responds by dissing Clottey and saying that he is undeserving of a fight with him - that's what sticks in the craw. It's the sheer hypocrisy of it.




All he had to say was that the negotiations with Dzinziruk are so far advanced that he doesn't want to change his plans now, but that he'll fight him first and then Clottey. But by saying instead that Clottey doesn't deserve a fight with him, which is patently ridiculous, just makes him look like he's ducking. If you have even a shred of open-mindedness, you'll admit that was a ****** and counter-productive thing for Goossen to to say.

Calzaghe was offered fights against tough contenders. How about the three times he pulled out of a fight with Glen Johnson? And he fought the guy who lost to Antwun Echols instead of Echols himself. Was it Brewer, I can't remember? That aside, I might have to go back and read the article to see exactly what Goosen said. I remember him saying that Clottey should get a couple of wins under his belt before challenging another big name and he should. Williams had to after he lost to Quintana. So why should Clottey be held to a different standard? It doesn't look good on your resume to fight opponents coming off a loss no matter how competitive it was. Sergei D. is undefeated and he brings a title to the table at a higher weight.

[Dave Rado]

You really think clottey can f with pwill?

Beating the #3 Welterweight convincingly, would get him back in the Welterweight picture, which is where he says he wants to be, and would probably land him a fight with Mosley or Cotto, which is what he says he wants.

And although Williams would be the favourite against Clottey, people under-estimate Clottey too much. He gave Cotto as much as he could handle. It would be a good fight.

[Walt Liquor]

No, Calzaghe doesn't have a great resume, but there was no point in his career where he was offered a fight against someone of Clottey's calibre and turned it down on the basis that in his opinion the opponent was undeserving, so your analogy is completely irrelevant to the topic. It's the fact that Williams has constantly claimed in the past year that all of the top Welterweights are too scared to fight him, and that he would move back to Welterweight the moment that any one of them agreed to fight him, and then, the moment his bluff is called by Clottey, he (or to be fair, Goossen, but presumably with his approval) responds by dissing Clottey and saying that he is undeserving of a fight with him - that's what sticks in the craw. It's the sheer hypocrisy of it.
All he had to say was that the negotiations with Dzinziruk are so far advanced that he doesn't want to change his plans now, but that he'll fight him first and then Clottey. But by saying instead that Clottey doesn't deserve a fight with him, which is patently ridiculous just makes him look like he's ducking. If you have even a shred of open-mindedness, you'll admit that was a ****** and counter-productive thing for Goossen to to say.

Rado, clottey has nothing but a recent l and hbo. Serg and pwill can go showtime and it's a batter fight for boxing. This is posturing by a promoter to let clottey know that Paul is the man, not him. Clottey's has had years to call out Paul and fight him

[Dave Rado]

Calzaghe was offered fights against tough contenders. How about the three times he pulled out of a fight with Glen Johnson?

Start a Calzaghe thread if you want to go into all that **** in detail yet again, it's off topic here, and I'm bored with answering the same misleading points over and over again. The point is that he never turned anyone credible down on the basis that he said they were undeserving of a fight with him, so your analogy is completely irrelevant in the context of this thread.