In all honesty, Manny Pacquiao is the face of boxing.

[MaFu MoFo]

Yeah it does but I'm not putting Pac very high on the all time list just because he beat a limited fighter in Hatton...

A few on here had Pac in the 50's, 60's all time and with this win move him in the top 30...

Dude, it's not only boxing fans, but REAL BOXING EXPERTS AND WRITERS. Are you forgetting his battles with the top mexicans fighters in the lower weight divisions? PAC has come up in weight and has dispose of good top fighters, except for grannie ODLH.


Then again, how much credit will you give PBF for beating JMM? IMO, if JMM wins, he will get TONS of credit. PBF will get "some credit". OPEN YOUR EYES!

[QUISQUEYA]

I'll give it to Pacquiao rite now. He beat a hall of famer in his prime(Barrera). And Morales is disputable...Floyd can't say that

I have always considered the first Barrera win as Pac's signature win. In fact, that is the only convincing or dominating win that MP has on a "prime elite".

Now, some people will say that Corrales and Castillo were "prime elites" for PBF. Opinions vary. Still, Barrera > castillo, and Barrera > Corrales.


PBF needs that one signature, indisputable win.

[MaFu MoFo]

perfect post

Thanks!

OK. Someone I can reason with.

Yes. i agree.

The problem is that guys here get so caught up in their hatred of Floyd, that they become like emotional bitches. They criticize every aspect of who he is and what he does. That is what women do. We are men. We are expected to think more analytically.

Floy'd level of opposition has been mad iffy. But his commercial appeal has been top-flight. Don't confuse the two. Different arguments.

Just because that girl is a ***** and has a terrible personality doesn't mean that she isn't fine as hell.

You are right, you are both right... just different waves of communication. PBF needs to bring up better challenges. Larry Merchant is not the only one who publicly critizes PBF for his cherry picking. That's why Floyd is not longer "prettyboy", now he is "moneymay". PBF reminds of Michael Jackson when he turn "Bad" years ago. "You know I am bad, I am bad, really really bad..." LMAO!!!

[Vasyl’s dad]

Damn, you are Mexican...right? Seriously.

I just answered your question in full detail. With examples.

Let me give you an example that you would understand:


You are selling oranges by the freeway. You want to expand to other intersections. Do you get a partner who can chip in on a bushel of oranges...or do you get a partner that you have to carry? To lend the money to, and then have to shaare the proceeds?


Floyd (or any other commercially viable boxer) doesn't NEED another "A". But it is SMART to get one. At this level, guys only fight 2x/3x per year. Max. So you want to MAXIMIZE every opportunity.

Notice who Oscar fought: Mayorga. Vargas. Not the guys who were necessarily the best competition at that point (Winky & Forrest). But guys who generated interest and promoted the fight effectively.

I understood you're point the first time.

You obviously didn't get mine.

I didn't even need an answer from you, nor was I really looking for one.


Just showing you how hypocritical the stans are from one moment to the next.


"He doesn't need A list fighters because hes Floyd Mayweather and he can sell on his own."

"A list fighters need to get their PPVs up to fight Mayweather."


I understand the need to maximize earning potential, but you can't have it both ways.

Hes a star who can carry any card on his own name,

or

he needs another star to make the house shine.


Now mind you, the excuses are hurled depending on the circumstance.


When hes fighting an outclassed opponent, hes the big celebrity who doesn't need the other names.


When it comes time to fight a true and legimate threat,

that fighter needs to grow their fanbase.

[QUISQUEYA]

Then again, how much credit will you give PBF for beating JMM? IMO, if JMM wins, he will get TONS of credit. PBF will get "some credit". OPEN YOUR EYES![/SIZE][/FONT][/B]

I go back-n-forth on this question.

Two arguments "for"

1) There is a loooong history in boxing of the current lightweight champion to fight the former lightweight champion. It has never been a problem before. Are we now applying a different standard merely because Floyd is an *******?

2) Everybody is excited about Manny-Mayweather. That is a totally fair fight between two guys who will weigh the same on fight night. Agreed? OK. Then why is it somehow 'unfair" for Floyd to fight the guy that gave manny his biggest struggles? And many people feel that JMM clearly won one of those fights.

Those are the 'for" arguments'.

The "against" argument is that Floyd does everything inside a boxing ring better than JMM. Speed, power, defense. evertything. Add to those advantages the fact that Floyd is the bigger man. That is way to big a gulf for someone of Floyd's capabilities to bring into the ring.

I'm letting it slide because he has been on the sofa for 20 months. But his next fight needs to be a top choice.

[QUISQUEYA]

I understood you're point the first time.

You obviously didn't get mine.

I didn't even need an answer from you, nor was I really looking for one.

Well, I'm not a stan of any fighter, so I don't know who you may be referring to. The last fighter i blindly nuthugged was Tito. Well, and casamayor.

I keep my **** mad factual. And I also apply the same standards to EVERY fighter. Not just the ones that i think are 'nice guys". I invite you to correct my factual inaccuracies.

Everybody gives Shane a pass for doing steroids. But if you found out that Mayweather had done roids to move up in weight.....

Enough said.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I go back-n-forth on this question.

Two arguments "for"

1) There is a loooong history in boxing of the current lightweight champion to fight the former lightweight champion. It has never been a problem before. Are we now applying a different standard merely because Floyd is an *******?

2) Everybody is excited about Manny-Mayweather. That is a totally fair fight between two guys who will weigh the same on fight night. Agreed? OK. Then why is it somehow 'unfair" for Floyd to fight the guy that gave manny his biggest struggles? And many people feel that JMM clearly won one of those fights.

Those are the 'for" arguments'.

The "against" argument is that Floyd does everything inside a boxing ring better than JMM. Speed, power, defense. evertything. Add to those advantages the fact that Floyd is the bigger man. That is way to big a gulf for someone of Floyd's capabilities to bring into the ring.

I'm letting it slide because he has been on the sofa for 20 months. But his next fight needs to be a top choice.

I thought you said this discussion was for men?

Why are you concerned with personalities? Nobody has even mentioned that.


The reason why some people feel its a problem is that JMM has never once fought above 135, has 2 fights there and will be 36 at fight time. To add, Floyd tried to get him all the way up to 147. If he wants to fight at 147, why not a tuneup against a lower tier welter?

If you question why people give Pac a pass for fighting JMM,

is because Pac fought him at jr. lightweight and featherweight. He didn't make him come up 2 divisions where hes never fought before. Seriously, did you really just ask that question?

If its fair for Floyd to take on JMM under those circumstances, surely you wouldn't have a problem with Floyd taking on Arthur Abraham at 160?

[MaFu MoFo]

I go back-n-forth on this question.

Two arguments "for"

1) There is a loooong history in boxing of the current lightweight champion to fight the former lightweight champion. It has never been a problem before. Are we now applying a different standard merely because Floyd is an *******?

2) Everybody is excited about Manny-Mayweather. That is a totally fair fight between two guys who will weigh the same on fight night. Agreed? OK. Then why is it somehow 'unfair" for Floyd to fight the guy that gave manny his biggest struggles? And many people feel that JMM clearly won one of those fights.

Those are the 'for" arguments'.

The "against" argument is that Floyd does everything inside a boxing ring better than JMM. Speed, power, defense. evertything. Add to those advantages the fact that Floyd is the bigger man. That is way to big a gulf for someone of Floyd's capabilities to bring into the ring.

I'm letting it slide because he has been on the sofa for 20 months. But his next fight needs to be a top choice.

1) PBF claimed to be the WW Champ, not JrWW.

2) PAC already went up in weight. JMM fought once at LW.


Anyway, I am not wasting my time with you... go ahead and put PBF;s piece in your mouth. Go and taste Flawless lips again...

[Vasyl’s dad]

Well, I'm not a stan of any fighter, so I don't know who you may be referring to. The last fighter i blindly nuthugged was Tito. Well, and casamayor.

I keep my **** mad factual. And I also apply the same standards to EVERY fighter. Not just the ones that i think are 'nice guys". I invite you to correct my factual inaccuracies.

Everybody gives Shane a pass for doing steroids. But if you found out that Mayweather had done roids to move up in weight.....

Enough said.

I don't remember giving Shane any pass.

I think it was foul and the entire thing has been swept under the rug.

[MaFu MoFo]

I thought you said this discussion was for men?

Why are you concerned with personalities? Nobody has even mentioned that.


The reason why some people feel its a problem is that JMM has never once fought above 135, has 2 fights there and will be 36 at fight time. To add, Floyd tried to get him all the way up to 147. If he wants to fight at 147, why not a tuneup against a lower tier welter?

If you question why people give Pac a pass for fighting JMM,

is because Pac fought him at jr. lightweight and featherweight. He didn't make him come up 2 divisions where hes never fought before. Seriously, did you really just ask that question?

If its fair for Floyd to take on JMM under those circumstances, surely you wouldn't have a problem with Floyd taking on Arthur Abraham at 160?

Hermano, deja que el dominicano hable mierda solo, ignoralo ya. no ves que lo hace por joder. Nadie se cree la mierda que habla sobre floyd. BTW, good post!!!