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[Porter's Dad]

More crass than "race trader"?

More crass than "gorilla"?

More crass than "white man's champion"?

More crass than when Ali told his wife that Joe Frazier was "the definition of a nigger"?

More crass than when Ali said he had more respect for the "white devil" than Frazier?

Yes, way more crass.

Stuff said as part of psychological warfare and fight promotion doesn't equate to smug statements about your role in giving the other guy Parkinsons.

Joe's just giving up any moral high ground he had. If he'd had won the 3rd fight, I'm sure he wouldn't still be so bitter.

[BadNewz]

Why should Ali apologize? He never should have taken it back in 2001. He should have stayed firm, cuz all he did was tell the truth about Frazier. It's a FACT that Frazier's support came from racists during a time when people like Ali were trying to fight against racism, and Frazier accepted that support gladly. What else would you call a man like that?

[Stab Judah]

Why should Ali apologize? He never should have taken it back in 2001. He should have stayed firm, cuz all he did was tell the truth about Frazier. It's a FACT that Frazier's support came from racists during a time when people like Ali were trying to fight against racism, and Frazier accepted that support gladly. What else would you call a man like that?

A man making money and not giving a damn about dumb people.

[ßringer]

Yes, way more crass.

Stuff said as part of psychological warfare and fight promotion doesn't equate to smug statements about your role in giving the other guy Parkinsons.

Joe's just giving up any moral high ground he had. If he'd had won the 3rd fight, I'm sure he wouldn't still be so bitter.

I can't put this any better than Hawkins did over in the boxing history forum, so I'll just quote him.

You can clearly see in the interviews that Ali wasn't just hamming it up for the promotion..he actually meant what he said and meant to do harm with his words. In that you see his mean streak and hypocrisy.

If you cannot see that Ali was dead serious in what he said of Frazier, then you just never will.

[Horus]

There is a line you dont cross though, and Ali crossed it with Frazier just as Bramble crossed it when he called Ray Mancini a murder after what happened with Kim.

Listen man, Boxing is the most dangerous sport in the world.
without cheating, a fighter should try to get any advantages they can.

And if you can win the fight before the bell rings you do it.

you do anything you can to get your opponent to focus on everything but boxing... thats how you win the fight. before you ever fight.

And that in itselfs is a skill everybody doesnt have.

And Ali had that skill....and to Ali's credit he always gave his opponent credit after every fight...

that is why People dont hold Ali's words against him.
because it was for promotion and it was for a fight in which his life was potentially on the line.

[Stab Judah]

This dude doesn't know what the hell he's talking about .

[ßringer]

Listen man, Boxing is the most dangerous sport in the world.
without cheating, a fighter should try to get any advantages they can.

And if you can win the fight before the bell rings you do it.

you do anything you can to get your opponent to focus on everything but boxing... thats how you win the fight. before you ever fight.

And that in itselfs is a skill everybody doesnt have.

And Ali had that skill....and to Ali's credit he always gave his opponent credit after every fight...

that is why People dont hold Ali's words against him.
because it was for promotion and it was for a fight in which his life was potentially on the line.

Once again.......

You can clearly see in the interviews that Ali wasn't just hamming it up for the promotion..he actually meant what he said and meant to do harm with his words. In that you see his mean streak and hypocrisy.

If you cannot see how dead serious Ali was in his contempt for Frazier, you never will.

[Porter's Dad]

I can't put this any better than Hawkins did over in the boxing history forum, so I'll just quote him.



If you cannot see that Ali was dead serious in what he said of Frazier, then you just never will.

Even if he was serious, and I'm not convinced he was, it still isn't as horrible as Joe laughing at the state of Ali now.

[TheGreatA]

Frazier doing most of the talking in 1969:

[-Hyperion-]

making such claims in the time ali said them was wrong, promotion(bs by the way) doesnt excuse him, lets see if you will not be bitter if your family gets death threats because some ****head made some outrageous bull**** claims......