Thrilla in Manila on HBO

[crold1]

why isnt HBO showing how Ali gave over 10 million+ to charities
Why isnt HBO showing how Ali later in life said Joe fraizer was the greatest fighter he ever fought...

Ali was the greatest fighter ever at winning the fight before the fight ever started,,,and after the fight he would always give respect to his opponents..

Ali has had more smoke blown up his ass than any human being on the planet. We now have one book (Kram's Ghost's) and this film showing the downside. 2 vs. infinity? You can deal.

[TheGreatA]

dude Ali was bigger than a HUGE ****... He was an ******* in real life....

The way that he did Joe was HORRIBLE....

It's not like anyone here really knows him.

Larry Holmes said that Ali was actually a very reserved, polite person when the cameras weren't on which is why he couldn't believe the things Ali would say to him during the pre-fight talk for Holmes-Ali. Holmes said the he understood it was all an attempt to get into his head though and was affected by none of it.

There's no doubt that Ali went way too far, not only against Frazier but against many others as well with his fight promotion.

I must say that none of it compares to the way he went after Sonny Liston before their first fight. Ali constantly harrassed him for a year and followed Liston around into gym workouts and even into his home. Liston believed that Ali was truly crazy.

[ßringer]

It's not like anyone here really knows him.

Larry Holmes said that Ali was actually a very reserved, polite person when the cameras weren't on which is why he couldn't believe the things Ali would say to him during the pre-fight talk for Holmes-Ali. Holmes said the he understood it was all an attempt to get into his head though.

There's no doubt that Ali went way too far, not just against Frazier but against many others as well with his fight promotion.

I must say that none of it compares to the way he went after Sonny Liston before their first fight. Ali constantly harrassed him for a year and followed Liston around into gym workouts and even into his home.

I don't recall Ali ever being that negative with Liston though.

Sure he taunted him through the media, said he was ugly, flatfooted, labelled him "the bear", showed up on his front lawn at 2AM with a bear trap and woke him up.

But that was clearly showmanship.

He never struck that personal note with Liston, aside from "he's ugly".

I'll take being called ugly over being called a race trader/sellout/uncle tom/gorilla/nigger any day of the week.

[Horus]

This is Boxing. Not Tennis, Not Softball, and not the fuccking Ballot..

If you dont want somebody to mentally mind fucck you as well as beat you up dont sign your name on the contract.

The funny thing is, in boxing if somebody talk **** to you the way that Ali does...

you literally get the chance to whoop their ass without getting arrested.

So spare me the all he took it too far stuff...because guess what after every fight he gives the fighter credit for their hardwork.

Call me cold blooded.

But a fight is always 90% mental and 10% Physical
and if you can get an advantage over your opponent
without cheating, a fighter should try to get any advantages they can.

And if you can win the fight before the bell rings by doing that then you should do it.

**** being politically correct when it is your health on the line.
A fighter should do anything they can to get their opponent to focus on everything but boxing before they fight them... thats how you win the fight. before you ever fight.

And that in itselfs is a skill everybody doesnt have..

And if fighter like Ali has that skill, why not used it, if you know it is going to work...and you always show respect to your opponent after the fight....


THIS IS BOXING IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT SOMEBODY IS SAYING TO YOU..GUESS WHAT YOU ARE GIVEN THE CHANCE TO MAKE THEM REGRET IT.
BUT IT IS NOT UP TO THE OTHER FIGHTER TO CONSIDER YOUR FEELINGS WHEN HE KNOWS YOU ARE NOT CONSIDERING HIS FEELINGS WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO KNOCK HIM OUT.....


The **** I am reading in this forum is unbelievable.

[-Swizzy-]

they are making ali out to be a huged ****...
why hbo...
why....

because he was. in the ring, ali was one of the best but out of it, he was one of the worst.

[Stab Judah]

This is Boxing. Not Tennis, Not Softball, and not the fuccking Ballot..

If you dont want somebody to mentally mind fucck you as well as beat you up dont sign your name on the contract.

The funny thing is, in boxing if somebody talk **** to you the way that Ali does...

you literally get the chance to whoop their ass without getting arrested.

So spare me the all he took it too far stuff...because guess what after every fight he gives the fighter credit for their hardwork.

Call me cold blooded.

But a fight is always 90% mental and 10% Physical
and if you can get an advantage over your opponent
without cheating, a fighter should try to get any advantages they can.

And if you can win the fight before the bell rings by doing that then you should do it.

**** being politically correct when it is your health on the line.
A fighter should do anything they can to get their opponent to focus on everything but boxing before they fight them... thats how you win the fight. before you ever fight.

And that in itselfs is a skill everybody doesnt have..

And if fighter like Ali has that skill, why not used it, if you know it is going to work...and you always show respect to your opponent after the fight....


THIS IS BOXING IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT SOMEBODY IS SAYING TO YOU..GUESS WHAT YOU ARE GIVEN THE CHANCE TO MAKE THEM REGRET IT.
BUT IT IS NOT UP TO THE OTHER FIGHTER TO CONSIDER YOUR FEELINGS WHEN HE KNOWS YOU ARE NOT CONSIDERING HIS FEELINGS WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO KNOCK HIM OUT.....


The **** I am reading in this forum is unbelievable.

Your question was why are they making him out as the bad guy right?
We answered the question and you just keep changing it into something else.

[Sutekh uvdabrix]

muhammed ali is a capricorn

like nard

and me

we can talk a lot of trash and can be real cold hearted.

but we are actually very quiet people who like everyone

[Stab Judah]

You also said that they HBO are making him out to be a **** which means that you do understand that what he was doing was wrong a contradiction to all of your later post.
You can't come back with the lame old "oh it's boxing" **** when you yourself said he looked like a ****, ok bye.

[Benny Leonard]

This is Boxing. Not Tennis, Not Softball, and not the fuccking Ballot..

If you dont want somebody to mentally mind fucck you as well as beat you up dont sign your name on the contract.

The funny thing is, in boxing if somebody talk **** to you the way that Ali does...

you literally get the chance to whoop their ass without getting arrested.

So spare me the all he took it too far stuff...because guess what after every fight he gives the fighter credit for their hardwork.

Call me cold blooded.

But a fight is always 90% mental and 10% Physical
and if you can get an advantage over your opponent
without cheating, a fighter should try to get any advantages they can.

And if you can win the fight before the bell rings by doing that then you should do it.

**** being politically correct when it is your health on the line.
A fighter should do anything they can to get their opponent to focus on everything but boxing before they fight them... thats how you win the fight. before you ever fight.

And that in itselfs is a skill everybody doesnt have..

And if fighter like Ali has that skill, why not used it, if you know it is going to work...and you always show respect to your opponent after the fight....


THIS IS BOXING IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT SOMEBODY IS SAYING TO YOU..GUESS WHAT YOU ARE GIVEN THE CHANCE TO MAKE THEM REGRET IT.
BUT IT IS NOT UP TO THE OTHER FIGHTER TO CONSIDER YOUR FEELINGS WHEN HE KNOWS YOU ARE NOT CONSIDERING HIS FEELINGS WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO KNOCK HIM OUT.....


The **** I am reading in this forum is unbelievable.

I agree with this: It was "OK" for Ali to say and do what he needed to do to Frazier for his own reasons, however; we must remember that he CHOSE to say and do what he did to Frazier so it is OK for any of us (including Joe) to judge Ali by his words and actions. Ali didn't have to say what he did. Frazier could have said a lot more as well but he didn't. Ali could have risen above such things but he didn't.

It affected Joe and affected his family. That's Ali.


It was not just about Promotion; it was Ali's true feelings.

[ßringer]

This is Boxing.

if you can get an advantage over your opponent
without cheating, a fighter should try to get any advantages they can.

And if you can win the fight before the bell rings by doing that then you should do it.

**** being politically correct when it is your health on the line.

THIS IS BOXING

IF YOU can BEAT YOUR OPPONENT BEFORE THE FIGHT EVEN BEGINS....
you do it.

One guy has to be willing to say **** being politically correct. My life is on the line

IF YOU can BEAT YOUR OPPONENT BEFORE THE FIGHT EVEN BEGINS....
you do it.

One guy has to be willing to say **** being politically correct. My life is on the line

And if you can win the fight before the bell rings you do it.

it was for a fight in which his life was potentially on the line.

a fighter should try to get any advantages they can.
And if you can win the fight before the bell rings you do it.

No wonder everybody hates you, you repetitive ****.

Are you on "auto pilot" or some ****? You've been saying the same **** for the last 4 pages.

Originally you ask why Ali is not being adored in this HBO Documentary like he is in every other thing he's been in, we give you the answers, and you keep coming with this repetitive bull****.

Go back to school and learn how to properly debate and discuss with people.