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Do you even realise that Harry Greb beat 18 champions in a time of eight divisions and only one champion in each division at a time? Many of those fighters were HOF'ers also, many of them. He was also the only fighter to ever beat Gene Tunney, the legendary HW champion. He won 305 fights and only lost eight.
Eder Jofre is generally considered the greatest BW who ever fought. He only ever lost twice, both to the same fighter, the legendary 'Fighting' Harada, the greatest fighter to come out of Japan. Both of these fights were held in Japan, the first was considered a terrible home-town verdict and the second could have gone either way. Jofre's record ended at 72-2-4. He avenged all his draws also. He retired after the last loss to Harada but made a comeback winning the FW championship as well.
He beat such amazing fighters as Jose Legra, Vincente Saldivar, Jose Medel, Johnny Caldwell, Ernesto Miranda, Eloy Sanchez, Caraballo, Aoki, Rollo among many, many others.
Saddler......You know what? Why don't you tell us why you think he should be above these guys eh? Run down why his record is better than these guys you've pointed out.
Don't forget something though. Today, we have four titles in each division. Back when those guys were fighting, there was one champion. If you won the title, it is because you beat the main guy, so saying Manny was a lightweight champion because he beat Diaz is not comparable to the titles these guys won. If he was fighting in the same era beating Diaz would not have won him the title, it would have been just a normal win over a contender, not a title win at all. Think about that. Posting up the stats like "He won titles in five divisions and that means he is better" is just wrong. You cannot compare the stats of different era's like that as guys that won different divisional titles back in the older era's would have done easily as well if not better in today's era of millions of titles in each division and the picking and choosing of the weakest title holder.
The funny thing that so many don't realise now is that in the older era's (70's, 60's, 50's etc etc) beating the top contenders of the day would be exactly the same as winning a title in today's divisions.
A great contender like Hector Thompson (if you've never heard of him, look him up. An amazing fighter who never won a title but was one of the best contenders of his times in the lightweight and JWW divisions.) would absolutely be a multiple title holder today. He couldn't beat Roberto Duran or Antonio Cervantes for his title shots but he beat all the other contenders and many great, great fighters. Those great fighters and top contenders that he beat would have held any of the titles today, which he would have then won. Title wins today are not a way of judging whether a fighter is better or not sadly.
We all know you're a Pac Hater... I don't even read all your ****** long theories... Boooooo
BTW after Pacquiao retires he would probably top 20-30 ATG...
The only fighter beat champions from @ 112 - 147...Last edited by FasTHarD; 02-24-2009, 10:01 AM.Comment
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which Champions has he beat at 140 and 147?
He beat champions at 112, 125, 130, 135.
he hasn't beaten champions at 118, 140, 147.Last edited by hammerhiem; 02-24-2009, 10:24 AM.Comment
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all rankings are based on ESPN...
if pacquiao will be top 20 of all time, he would be several notches higher than pernell whitaker at #44, mayweather jr at # 48 and julio cesar chavez @ # 24...
it sounds blasphemous isnt it?Comment
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top 10 ATG
1. SRR
2. M. ALI
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. SRL
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Roberto Duran
8. Willie Pep
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Rocky MarcianoComment
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That's hilarious mate. Unfortunately for you, that theory doesn't work because I very much enjoy Pac as a fighter, I just think ******s like you are so daft it's pathetic. You've probably honestly got Pac at number 3 ATG P4P or something, much like Boojee above.
P4P number 6?
I don't hate Pac, (I think he's brilliant) just morons like that, and you of course.Last edited by BennyST; 02-27-2009, 09:54 PM.Comment
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I just read most of your post on Pac... Funny though .. You discredit his wins... You tell this board that you like Pac as a fighter is bull****...That's hilarious mate. Unfortunately for you, that theory doesn't work because I very much enjoy Pac as a fighter, I just think ******s like you are so daft it's pathetic. You've probably honestly got Pac at number 3 ATG P4P or something, much like Boojee above.
P4P number 6?
I don't hate Pac, (I think he's brilliant) just morons like that, and you of course.Comment
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Top 20? I should think so but then I'm no boxing historian.Comment
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