Is Manny Pacquiao a top 20 all time?

[ottoevans]

hes top 5 of this generation maybe (90's till now) but all time definetly not

[strugler]

hes top 5 of this generation maybe (90's till now) but all time definetly not

I bet you have floyd, JMM, MAB, ERIC, ODh, in your atg though???. not saying theyre not great.

[Tata Moran]

Not yet,, but if he beats Hatton in emphatic fashion that could be a good argument. In case he goes againt either PBF or Cotto and he wins, hes definitely in top 20.

Just my opinion.

[ottoevans]

"definetly not, he would have to beat Hatton, Floyd, Cotto and mosley to make top 50"


To make 50? . LMAO ... educate your ignorant ass .

I bet you have floyd, JMM, MAB, ERIC, ODh, in your atg though???. not saying theyre not great.

of this generation (90's to now) yeah, all time i dont see them cracking top 100

[BennyST]

So to make top 50 today fighters have to have a resume equivalent of:

Sasakul KO, Ledwaba KO (2weeks notice), Larios UD, Barrera TKO 1x, Morales KO 2x(only man ever to do so),
Marquez SD, De La Hoya TKO (Only B-hop has done it), Hatton, Cotto, and Floyd.

Thats some criteria... He beats Hatton, Cotto, and Floyd would definitely boost him close to top 20-30 for sure. Just the resume alone gets it but whats even crazier is how he did it... He demolished people he wasn't suppose to moving up from 108.

Man, beating Hatton, Cotto and Mayweather would put him in the top ten! That would be very impressive but it won't happen sadly.

Even though you're putting up "Only man to ever do so" or "Only B-Hop did it as well" this was not when they were prime fighters. If they were prime then he would be possinly up there with Robinson if not above. No matter how you look at it, those guys would have been KO'd by a lot of fighters in their states. That's just plain obvious. Great wins nonetheless, but they weren't amazing. Barrera 1 was amazing. Marquez wins were semi-amazing, if you think he won them.

It is a great resume, no doubting it, but there are many fighters that have just as good resumes, if not quite a bit better, but lost to genuine legends in their prime or just plain fought everyone.

Go look at all the guys Arguello beat and you wonder how Pac is above him. No matter how many divisions Pac jumped he hasn't beaten as many great fighters as that. Without Pryor in the way, or if his management was smart enough to go somewhere else, he would be a freak. Maybe that's what makes him even greater though, he fought everyone, no matter how good or how much risk they represented. Roach is great in that he only takes fights that are easily winnable (they hope). Smart way to go these days.

He can possibly get to top 20 with some more good wins, Hatton goes a long way to doing that, but I still don't think he's there yet. I just don't think people realise how many amazing fighters you have to put him above to get to top 20. Guys that have done just as much and beaten more great champions. Like that guy that said "How can he not be above Greb, Saddler, and Jofre." You've got to be joking!

[Pacdbest]

When Pac Beats the 3 Great Mexicans EM, MAB & JMM, I already rate him in the top 15. When Dominated DLH I already have him in the top 10.

Here's the one I posted in ESB last year!

PacDbest07-04-2008, 02:20 AM
Look at who are in his league??? ATGs side by side with PAC. The author just mentioned 4 wt Class Champ but actually he's already 5 Div Champ.

http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/2008/0628_pacquiao_diaz/columns/compubox_post.html

Even the hardest of chins and the deepest reservoirs of courage have breaking points, and Diaz reached his in the ninth as a left cross he didn't see felled him. Even LaMotta absorbed only four rounds' worth of Robinson's best guns while Diaz fielded Pacquiao's from the very start. While Diaz is no LaMotta in terms of greatness, it wouldn't be completely absurd to rank Pacquiao's performance on this night to the best Robinson ever produced.

With the victory Pacquiao joins Thomas Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Pernell Whitaker, Leo Gamez, Oscar de la Hoya, Roy Jones and Oscar de la Hoya as four-division champions. Because Pacquiao looked better than ever - both in terms of physique and execution - at his career highest weight, historians must now start to determine Pacquiao's place among the all-time greats, pound-for-pound as well as pounding-for-pounding.



Here's What Bert Sugar Said.

http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/2008/0628_pacquiao_diaz/columns/sugar_post.html

Later, like red wine blushing at the certification of purity on its label, Pacquiao modestly said, "I feel much, much stronger and more powerful at 135-pounds." Indeed he was, having ventured Columbus-like into the 135-pound class to put on a performance worthy of a Sugar Ray Leonard--or even a Sugar Ray Robinson. And in the process proving himself again "The Mexicutioner," having added another Mexican fighters pelt to his belt, and proving himself to be boxing's "Best Pound-for-Pound Fighter"--as well as proving Aesop's hare-brained moral was all wrong: "slow and steady" never beats speed and strength. This time the tortoise wasn't there at the finish.


I have been predicting this for years. And now it's all coming true. Hatton/DLH next. I'm sure Pac will in the Top 10 ATGs.

[boojee]

top 2 ATG!!!

1. SRR
2. Manny Pacquiao - IF he beats Hatton, Cotto then Floyd
3. M ALI
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Joe Louis
6. SRL
7. Roberto Duran
8. Willie Pep
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Rocky Marciano

[strugler]

of this generation (90's to now) yeah, all time i dont see them cracking top 100

You have BHOP and jones though???lmao,, you sneaky bastard LMAo

[ottoevans]

u got robinson, armstrong, willie pep, joe louis, ali, dempsey,greb , duran, jack johnson, leonard, marciano, tunney, walker , archie moore in the top 30 and i dont see pacman above any of them based on accomplishment

[Pacdbest]

Here's more:

PacDbest07-04-2008, 03:24 AM
135 Roberto Duran -v- Pac who wins?

Resume wise. Pac is on way to beat Duran''s resume.

Duran was an ATG at lightweight. He's one of the best there. But when he moved up in weight. He never came up on top as the best. He quit with SRL, He was Koed by Hearns, Benitez beat him, He can't beat Hagler, Bunch of Nobodys beat him. Davey moore win you can compare that to Pac-Diaz. Just Diaz has more wins.

History will be kind to Pac as History was kind to DLH & SRL. Because Pac's an Exciting fighter, he fights the best, he ducks no one, Gentleman in the ring, Clean fighter, a role model all positive stuff.

What separates Pac against these top ATGs is the matter of How he beat Great fighters. Annihilate MAB when MAB was still top 5 P4P. SRL struggles with Hagler, Duran & Hearns. Pac KOed twice the unknockable Morales. Duran, Hearns, SRL tried but never near of Koing the Granite Hagler.

You can Bring the JMM's close and debatable loss to Pac. But every ATG fighters struggle with a certain Rival during their eras. SRR with La motta, SRL with hearns, PBF with Castillo, Pep with Saddler etc. But don't worry the Pac-JMM series is not over. I belive Pac will end that series with a KO.