Did Joe Calzaghe do enough to warrent a fight with Roy?

[bsrizpac]

You shouldn't be so bull-headed man. You can't just say "end of story" without knowing all the details involved, it isn't as simple as that. There's a ****load of politics involved in this business, nothing is ever cut and dried/black and white like you're seeing it.

more vague excuses for Joe that amount to exactly nothing.

It's always either " US fighters ducked Joe or were scared of him"

when this is proven wrong with examples of facts we get this

"it's not Joe's fault, it was politics, circumstances, warren, or couldla wouldla shoulda, we'll never know so we can't blame him..." and so on.

[bsrizpac]

He also left out a quote...

”You don’t go to somebody else when you’re the best, they must come to you, so I wouldn’t take the risk, and why would I? Why would I meet that challenge when I’m already the best? Why would I go to your country and give you a chance to allow the powers that be to take a close decision and give it to you?"

Shocking. Joe thought he was the BEST because he had the WBO trinket belt and was defending against....

Do you Joe fans want me to pull up the list of his 97 - 2006 opponents again? Spare yourself and just let it go....

[THE REED]

Come on, Reeddog. Joe was a 3-1 favorite over ROY JONES JR.

That says everything you need to know.

I realize Joe fighting Roy NOW, HERE... is 1/4th as dangerous as Roy going there to fight a PRIME Joe... im just saying... he still came here, not knowing what Roy really had left... the Tito fight... although a blown up welterweight.. looked as though Roy was seemingly getting better... before the fight, he was still taking a risk, especially coming here...

After the fight, its blatantly clear, Roys a gonner...

That is how I saw it anyway

[Kris Silver]

Except the opponent wasn't a 25-year old rising champ. It was a 40-year old shell of one who everyone begged for him not to fight.

So that was by Calzaghes design as well was it? He never woulda taken such a fight years ago? You may say no of course not, but then why would he spend years saying otherwise public ally, would seem a little ****** and bring on a lot of profound critique and embarrassment.

The fact is, Joe signed for a fight with Hopkins in 02 but Hops pulled out, and he did fight in more countries then either of the two put together.

[bsrizpac]

True.... BUT, before the fight.. what roy still had left wasnt exactly known... Joe WAS taking a risk... but nothing like the risk Roy would have taken going to England to fight Joe in his prime.

Uh, Reed I respect you but it was VERY well known. It was NOT a Risk. That's frankly a joke. You knew what Roy had left, you just didn't want to believe cause you are a Roy fan. I love Roy too so I respect that. But at the same time, that fight should have SHOWN you and hindsight should show you going back to Tito, Prince Aladdin, and Hanshaw that he was basically done. Nevermind the Tarver 3 quitting, 2 KO and Glen Johnson KO over half a decade ago.

[bsrizpac]

So that was by Calzaghes design as well was it? He never woulda taken such a fight years ago? You may say no of course not, but then why would he spend years saying otherwise public ally, would seem a little ****** and bring on a lot of profound critique and embarrassment.

The fact is, Joe signed for a fight with Hopkins in 02 but Hops pulled out, and he did fight in more countries then either of the two put together.

You yourself have admitted and chiding Joe for constantly saying ******, churlish, and contradictory things. I think you know he runs his mouth off all the time without thinking about what he's saying.

Actions not words. See: Tarver and what he did to get a fight with Roy back then. Simple.

[Enemy/Friend]

So that was by Calzaghes design as well was it? He never woulda taken such a fight years ago? You may say no of course not, but then why would he spend years saying otherwise public ally, would seem a little ****** and bring on a lot of profound critique and embarrassment.

The fact is, Joe signed for a fight with Hopkins in 02 but Hops pulled out, and he did fight in more countries then either of the two put together.

Hopkins didn't take a risk when he fought in Ecuador twice? Do you know what the climate is like up there?

EDIT: he fought there once.

[Ishy Aytan]

more vague excuses for Joe that amount to exactly nothing.

It's always either " US fighters ducked Joe or were scared of him"

when this is proven wrong with examples of facts we get this

"it's not Joe's fault, it was politics, circumstances, warren, or couldla wouldla shoulda, we'll never know so we can't blame him..." and so on.

It was Joes fault... Like ive said on numeous posts, he rejected coming to America and fighting on ShowTime. This happened countless times. Frank Warren said, matches would be scheduled then he'd duck out of them. He referred numerous times to Glen Johnson.

Joe had no intention of fighting any of the top dogs in the sport. If he did he would have moved up to light heavy years ago.

[bsrizpac]

Hopkins didn't take a risk when he fought in Ecuador twice? Do you know what the climate is like up there?

Bottom line, none of Joe's fans every have facts to refute what I say, so they resort to getting angry about the fact that I'm "mean online".

Nevermind that the people I'm "mean" to are mostly the super Joe trolls like ****less wonder Dirk, Ricky and his 30 alts, Hunter the racist, and Castor Troy who sends me death threats.

Way to defend these winners Joe fans.

[THE REED]

Uh, Reed I respect you but it was VERY well known. It was NOT a Risk. That's frankly a joke. You knew what Roy had left, you just didn't want to believe cause you are a Roy fan. I love Roy too so I respect that. But at the same time, that fight should have SHOWN you and hindsight should show you going back to Tito, Prince Aladdin, and Hanshaw that he was basically done. Nevermind the Tarver 3 quitting, 2 KO and Glen Johnson KO over half a decade ago.

prince aladdin... I understood the tier of fighter that Tito was at that point... But Roy seemingly got better with each fight IMO... and I was actually giving Roy a good chance to win... obviously in hindsite we now see what he REALLY had left... although I think it had a lot more to do with the style of fight that Joe fights against an older fighter, that made Roy look worse... when your 40, fighting a faster volume puncher is lose/lose situation...

But as far as what Roy did in the Tito fight, I was intrigued... Tito or no Tito...

But obviously im not trying to compare Joe coming here to fight a 40 yr old version of Roy Versus Roy going to england in there primes...

Those are two completely different risks...