Sameday weigh in's and Margarito. Why you are wrong!!!!

[Benny Leonard]

Says who? Thats an assumpiton and you know it.

What?

So how does he go from 147 and then show up at a much higher weight?
Growth spurt?

[pistol whip]

What?

So how does he go from 147 and then show up at a much higher weight?
Growth spurt?

Food and water? That doesn't mean he's draining himself either. He has a pretty demanding trainer who often keeps him in the gym inbetween fights and Hopkins is a great example of a fighter who kept up with training inbetween fights to keep himself at 160 well into his late 30's.

[Benny Leonard]

Food and water? That doesn't mean he's draining himself either. He has a pretty demanding trainer who often keeps him in the gym inbetween fights and Hopkins is a great example of a fighter who kept up with training inbetween fights to keep himself at 160 well into his late 30's.

I'm not saying he isn't fit, but...

Margarito's fight time weight in his last fight was?


Note: Not saying everybody uses or needs pills and an I.V.

[Benny Leonard]

*************: Is it hard for you to make weight at 147 pounds? Do you sacrifice a lot of meals or is it your metabolism is very fast and you make weight easily?

Antonio Margarito: I don’t have any problems making weight. I gain and loose weight correctly. I don’t skip meals, and I don’t really watch what I eat. I don’t drink, smoke, or party. Boxing is my career and I’m dedicated. I make sure not to blow up after a fight like the majority of fighters do. I continue to train in Mexico, not with the same intensity, but just enough to maintain my condition and weight.

http://www.*************.com/intervi...nio-margarito/

He's like Hopkins

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE=pistol whip;4488997]Let's go back 20 years and analyze what happened in boxing when we had Sameday weigh in's. DEATH!!!!!!!

Fighters fought and died in that ring because they were so dehydrated that their brains pretty much turned into mush.
QUOTE]

Im not even bothering with the Margarito part of this post. But I do want to look at the bigger picture for a minute. If fighters were dying because they drained there body to make weight, who's fault is that? Im not trying to be callus, but we have weight classes for a reason. Hell, even when I wrestled in high school I knew when I couldn't make weight any more and it was time to move up. Proffessional fighters do to, but some of them pay the price for trying to beat the odds.

Is it really fair to a natural 140 pounder to have to fight a guy who can blow up to 160 two days later (see Gamache-Gatti)? If so, what is the point in having weight classes to begin with?

Any fighter trying to make weight should be responsible for himself and determining when its to dangerous to keep cutting weight. Maybe the ABC groups should always have doctors monitoring the fighters weight leading up to the fight. But it is hardly fair to give B an extra day to rehydrate and blow up 15 or 20lbs, when fighter A has made the weight naturally and comfotably from the beginning. JMO.

[The Gunner]

People who are saying that same day weigh ins should return are missing a point here.

That point is Margarito doesn't have to kill himself himself to make 147 and doesn't have to drain his body.

[Flawless.]

What about +1 to 5 pound cap? Say the fight is at 147...you can have up to +1 to 5 pounds allowed by fight time. This way, you don't have to cancel the fight, however, maybe there can be some penalty.


And if fighters are dying, whose fault is it really?

It's the fighters for trying to fight in a division they shouldn't be fighting at.

What is the point of saying you are a WW fighter when you are a middleweight fighter come fight night

[KostyaTszyu44]

I think the best for boxing is to implement new rules about categorizing each weight class by the height of the boxer. As to avoid these unfair height and weight advantage to smaller fighter. This time will know who is really the true champion in that division by not simply relying on thier height and weight advantages (in other words daylight cheating but the side of the law) but the size of thier heart, skills, speed and power. Example: those who height of 5'5", 5'6" 5'7" should only fight at featherweight, superfeather weight and lightweight as Margarito and William should not fight at 147. Of course there's an exception to the rules. This just an example and maybe someone can add more info about this. Opinion please?

FFS height isnt even that much of an advantage

a good boxer can overcome physical disadvantages, stop trying to make boxing a boring sport

next thing people will do is propose that fighters who punch hard for their weight have to hold back on their power

and fast guys have to slow it down a little

[pistol whip]

[QUOTE=JAB5239;4489431]

Let's go back 20 years and analyze what happened in boxing when we had Sameday weigh in's. DEATH!!!!!!!

Fighters fought and died in that ring because they were so dehydrated that their brains pretty much turned into mush.
QUOTE]

Im not even bothering with the Margarito part of this post. But I do want to look at the bigger picture for a minute. If fighters were dying because they drained there body to make weight, who's fault is that? Im not trying to be callus, but we have weight classes for a reason. Hell, even when I wrestled in high school I knew when I couldn't make weight any more and it was time to move up. Proffessional fighters do to, but some of them pay the price for trying to beat the odds.

Is it really fair to a natural 140 pounder to have to fight a guy who can blow up to 160 two days later (see Gamache-Gatti)? If so, what is the point in having weight classes to begin with?

Any fighter trying to make weight should be responsible for himself and determining when its to dangerous to keep cutting weight. Maybe the ABC groups should always have doctors monitoring the fighters weight leading up to the fight. But it is hardly fair to give B an extra day to rehydrate and blow up 15 or 20lbs, when fighter A has made the weight naturally and comfotably from the beginning. JMO.

Who has to work harder to make weight the bigger guy or the smaller guy? The bigger guy of coarse.


Even if the bigger guy makes weight without trouble who is most likely to have more in the tank come fight time? The smaller guy.



This is where the playing field evens out!

[Flawless.]

[QUOTE=pistol whip;4490110]

Who has to work harder to make weight the bigger guy or the smaller guy? The bigger guy of coarse.


Even if the bigger guy makes weight without trouble who is most likely to have more in the tank come fight time? The smaller guy.



This is where the playing field evens out!

How does it even out. Come fight night they rehydrate and they are all good with their 15 pounds advantage