Sameday weigh in's and Margarito. Why you are wrong!!!!

[pistol whip]

So you are telling me it's fair for one fighter who fights at 147 who shows up at 149 by fight time to fight someone that is 147 weigh-in but shows up at 160+ by fight time?
How is that sanctioned? You now have a WW vs. MM

It's close enough to fair that nobody is dying because of it. And we are only talking 24 hours mind you. If fighters are really cutting that much weight then how is 24 hours gonna help you recover from 2months of starving and heavy training completely? Sure they weigh more but you forget they have to work harder than the smaller fighter to get to that weight so the playing fields are still level. It's give and take! The more weight you have to lose the more stress you put on your body when it comes fight time.


24hours just keeps them safe!!!

[Benny Leonard]

And they fought at heavyweight where you can come in as heavy as you want. That was the worst example that you could have used.

All it means is they are turning a blind eye to what is going on in the HW division. They, as well as you, are saying it's OK to be out-weighed by 50+ pounds because, well, you are a HW. That is the "risk" you take, right?

[Benny Leonard]

It's close enough to fair that nobody is dying because of it. And we are only talking 24 hours mind you. If fighters are really cutting that much weight then how is 24 hours gonna help you recover from 2months of starving and heavy training completely? Sure they weigh more but you forget they have to work harder than the smaller fighter to get to that weight so the playing fields are still level. It's give and take! The more weight you have to lose the more stress you put on your body when it comes fight time.


24hours just keeps them safe!!!

but they can still use an I.V. to pump the fluids back in correctly and use certain water-pills to get the fluid out for weigh-in. Drug tests don't pick up everything.

Fighters aren't draining weight until they get close to the weigh-in and with certain pills, you don't need a lot of time to piss it all out.

[Motofan]

What about +1 to 5 pound cap? Say the fight is at 147...you can have up to +1 to 5 pounds allowed by fight time. This way, you don't have to cancel the fight, however, maybe there can be some penalty.


And if fighters are dying, whose fault is it really?

It's the fighters for trying to fight in a division they shouldn't be fighting at.

This is a really good idea. Which is why it will never happen.

[pistol whip]

All it means is they are turning a blind eye to what is going on in the HW division. They, as well as you, are saying it's OK to be out-weighed by 50+ pounds because, well, you are a HW. That is the "risk" you take, right?

Wrong!! Mike Tyson a 5ft 10in 210 pound hevyweight was the most feared man in boxing no less than 15 years ago and the most decorated fighter in recent boxing memory was Evander Holyfield a former cruiserweight. Also don't forget Roy Jones since you mentioned him earlier. If there is any weight class thats disproved that bigger is always better it's the HW division.

[pistol whip]

but they can still use an I.V. to pump the fluids back in correctly and use certain water-pills to get the fluid out for weigh-in. Drug tests don't pick up everything.

Fighters aren't draining weight until they get close to the weigh-in and with certain pills, you don't need a lot of time to piss it all out.

Oh god now you are using conspiracy theories to prove your points?

Unless you are a big enough fighter to have Mackie Shillstone in your corner you are most likely losing weight incorrectly.

[Silencers]

Doesn't someone still have that which includes same day weigh-in at 12 NOON or something like that?

I think they did it for Tszyu vs. Hatton...no?

Not that I know of, you can gain as much weight as you like now between the weigh in and the fight.

[Benny Leonard]

Wrong!! Mike Tyson a 5ft 10in 210 pound hevyweight was the most feared man in boxing no less than 15 years ago and the most decorated fighter in recent boxing memory was Evander Holyfield a former cruiserweight. Also don't forget Roy Jones since you mentioned him earlier. If there is any weight class thats disproved that bigger is always better it's the HW division.

So why have weight division at all?

You are right, we should go back to what the Ancient Greeks had, one weight division; Unlimited. This way, we would really know who the #1 fighter is.

Oh, and Tyson was a freak of nature; he doesn't count
And Tyson was measured at 5'11 by HBO and he weighed 215-220 at his best.

[Benny Leonard]

Oh god now you are using conspiracy theories to prove your points?

Unless you are a big enough fighter to have Mackie Shillstone in your corner you are most likely losing weight incorrectly.

What?

Not that I'm am saying I know people that have used "certain" pills to drain the fluid that doesn't show up on a drug test or deemed illegal, but I "heard" people do this. And I'm not saying that I would know which drugs, I mean supplements to take or how to rehydrate using an I.V.
No, this doesn't exit

Seriously, go to college and you "may" meet athletes that are wizards at Science, yet they aren't Science majors...just people that pay attention to certain people that are and listen carefully what to read and do. Not that this actually exists because it doesn't.

[pistol whip]

So why have weight division at all?

You are right, we should go back to what the Ancient Greeks had, one weight division; Unlimited. This way, we would really know who the #1 fighter is.

I'm not quite sure if I would bring back the brass knuckles.

No No No!!!! Again stop being unrealistic about things! If a fighter cuts to much weight even with todays rules it's gonna catch up to them one way or another. Example Jose Luis castillo! My point is that if a guy like Margarito has to cut weight he has to work harder in training than the smaller guy right? If so then he's gonna have less in the tank come fight time than the smaller guy right? So my point is that the playing field is still very close to even and nobody dies. whats wrong with that?


In Tony's case how do we even know he has to even work to lose weight? What if he just keeps a really good training regiment inbetween fights and makes the weight no problem? How is it his fault that he out works other fighters and his reward is he get to have a size advantage.


Where I come from if you work harder than anyone else you get rewarded for your effort. You don't get sent to a higher weight class to make things "fair".