Sameday weigh in's and Margarito. Why you are wrong!!!!

[pistol whip]

What?

Not that I'm am saying I know people that have used "certain" pills to drain the fluid that doesn't show up on a drug test or deemed illegal, but I "heard" people do this. And I'm not saying that I would know which drugs, I mean supplements to take or how to rehydrate using an I.V.
No, this doesn't exit

Seriously, go to college and you "may" meet athletes that are wizards at Science, yet they aren't Science majors...just people that pay attention to certain people that are and listen carefully what to read and do. Not that this actually exists because it doesn't.

But thats the perfect example of fighters losing weight and recovering incorrectly. Shillstone helped guys like Hopkins and spinks gain and lose weight correctly and guess what? No pills or IV's just good exercise and diet.

[Benny Leonard]

No No No!!!! Again stop being unrealistic about things! If a fighter cuts to much weight even with todays rules it's gonna catch up to them one way or another. Example Jose Luis castillo! My point is that if a guy like Margarito has to cut weight he has to work harder in training than the smaller guy right? If so then he's gonna have less in the tank come fight time than the smaller guy right? So my point is that the playing feel is still very close to even and nobody die whats wrong with that?


In Tony's case how do we even know he has to even work to lose weight? What if he just keeps a really good training regiment inbetween fights and makes the weight no problem? How is it his fault that he out works other fighters and his reward is he get to have a size advantage.


Where I come from if you work harder than anyone else you get rewarded for you effort you don't get sent to a higher weight class to make things "fair".

Yes, I do think it may eventually catch up; maybe.

Margarito could be like Hopkins?

I'm not blaming Margarito; I'm blaming the set-up boxing has. Margarito is just following.

[pistol whip]

Yes, I do think it may eventually catch up; maybe.

Margarito could be like Hopkins?

I'm not blaming Margarito; I'm blaming the set-up boxing has. Margarito is just following.

I don't think he;s following I think it's just his genetics and will. Both are things that can't be taught and takes us back to my initial point. He's just a freak of nature.

[Allucard]

So you are telling me it's fair for one fighter who fights at 147 who shows up at 149 by fight time to fight someone that is 147 weigh-in but shows up at 160+ by fight time?
How is that sanctioned? You now have a WW vs. MM

That was Oscar vs Floyd i believe, and no one was complaining at the time!
Still, back to the topic i agree the bodies need to protect fighters from themselves but these days they are so (openly?) corrupt that anything is possible like Evander Hollyfield fighting Valuev. Who's sanctioning that and are they accountable should Evander get seriously hurt? Another risky fight coming to mind was Oscar vs Manny (but that turned completely the other way around) and Jones vs Calzaghe. If Calzaghe had power Jones would be seriously hurt too. And this is why it's impossible for me to classify boxing as a sport. Maybe it's part of the reason it's loosing popularity?

[whirlwind]

I think the best for boxing is to implement new rules about categorizing each weight class by the height of the boxer. As to avoid these unfair height and weight advantage to smaller fighter. This time will know who is really the true champion in that division by not simply relying on thier height and weight advantages (in other words daylight cheating but the side of the law) but the size of thier heart, skills, speed and power. Example: those who height of 5'5", 5'6" 5'7" should only fight at featherweight, superfeather weight and lightweight as Margarito and William should not fight at 147. Of course there's an exception to the rules. This just an example and maybe someone can add more info about this. Opinion please?

[Benny Leonard]

But thats the perfect example of fighters losing weight and recovering incorrectly. Shillstone helped guys like Hopkins and spinks gain and lose weight correctly and guess what? No pills or IV's just good exercise and diet.

Not sure I follow. Lose weight for the weigh-in and then put it back on?
For Spinks, this wouldn't be.

When did Mackie help Hopkins lose weight?
Even in his fight with Pavlik, which I did hear Hopkins say he did it without Mackie, it was -5 pounds.

When Mackie helped Spinks lose weight that was the start off point: lose weight/body-fat and then rebuild up to HW.

Margarito is draining fluids and then rehydrating.

[Benny Leonard]

I think the best for boxing is to implement new rules about categorizing each weight class by the height of the boxer. As to avoid these unfair height and weight advantage to smaller fighter. This time will know who is really the true champion in that division by not simply relying on thier height and weight advantages (in other words daylight cheating but the side of the law) but the size of thier heart, skills, speed and power. Example: those who height of 5'5", 5'6" 5'7" should only fight at featherweight, superfeather weight and lightweight as Margarito and William should not fight at 147. Of course there's an exception to the rules. This just an example and maybe someone can add more info about this. Opinion please?

Joke, right?

[pistol whip]

I think the best for boxing is to implement new rules about categorizing each weight class by the height of the boxer. As to avoid these unfair height and weight advantage to smaller fighter. This time will know who is really the true champion in that division by not simply relying on thier height and weight advantages (in other words daylight cheating but the side of the law) but the size of thier heart, skills, speed and power. Example: those who height of 5'5", 5'6" 5'7" should only fight at featherweight, superfeather weight and lightweight as Margarito and William should not fight at 147. Of course there's an exception to the rules. This just an example and maybe someone can add more info about this. Opinion please?

My opinion is thats a horriable idea since hight almost says nothing about the size of a mans frame.

[pistol whip]

Margarito is draining fluids and then rehydrating.

Says who? Thats an assumpiton and you know it.

[Benny Leonard]

That was Oscar vs Floyd i believe, and no one was complaining at the time!
Still, back to the topic i agree the bodies need to protect fighters from themselves but these days they are so (openly?) corrupt that anything is possible like Evander Hollyfield fighting Valuev. Who's sanctioning that and are they accountable should Evander get seriously hurt? Another risky fight coming to mind was Oscar vs Manny (but that turned completely the other way around) and Jones vs Calzaghe. If Calzaghe had power Jones would be seriously hurt too. And this is why it's impossible for me to classify boxing as a sport. Maybe it's part of the reason it's loosing popularity?

You have to remember that boxing is, well, a violent sport. So, we are already turning a blind eye in our "???"...not even sure what kind of society we live in, but the point still is that if you can turn a blind eye to fighters beating the **** out of each other for money, you can and will for other things.

If anything, boxing has evolved into a "safer" sport than what the ancients had so I guess that is progress.