Who is Higher All Time Great? Pac or Floyd

[Benny Leonard]

oh benny you sound like a teenage girl that got stood up on prom night. get over it. oscar and his trainers were men to give pac's camp props. you however sound your confusing your own self as you go on. LOL at the dundee scenario, as if you know better than angelo. you're really weird benny. good night its late.

First, I'm not even a fan of Oscar...never have been.

For Dundee: like Dundee is God...please. I am a different person than him. And Yeah, I do know better than him because unlike him, I don't kiss people's ass and I'm not afraid to speak up no matter who it is. I don't care if it is Ali, I'm telling him how I feel, I'm not taking his money, and I'm out the door. This is the example my Father set for me and he did it many times in front of me to help me learn. And I have followed this way with my own instincts as well in my life. Especially in this case with regards to health and the type of career many in my family chose wouldn't allow this.

So you will give me no credit for what I thought of before the fight?

And you will not take what Freddie said into account?

And you would do the exact same thing as Freddie did?

So you would have done the same in Dundee's position with regards to Ali?

Are you going to answer or are you going to continue to avoid?

[BlackHat]

Roach is a coward... he told Manny to knock Oscar Out..

Praise Floyd Sr. for bashing Dundee and Nacho, they don't know anything about boxing, for oscar would have also lost if he was in his corner.

Yes I am objective.

[aether]

threads like this are pointless. pac has not even fought his greatest bouts. i'll wait until next year. by then, if floyd doesnt comeback then pac leads floyd by a mile in the ATG list

[hugh grant]

Pac is best. Most of what PBF done was earlier in his career. Against Hatton he did well though with help from referee and his chit chat disrupted Hatton.

[Left Hook Tua]

Roach is a coward... he told Manny to knock Oscar Out..

Praise Floyd Sr. for bashing Dundee and Nacho, they don't know anything about boxing, for oscar would have also lost if he was in his corner.

Yes I am objective.

i remember in the corner after round 8.....freddie was like , "take this guy out this round. it's your job to take him out this round , son."

roach had bet money on manny by round 9 ko.

[Dan...]

Initially I thought Pacquiao but I'm gonna go with Mayweather. His dominant reign at 130 and crushing wins over Corrales and Castillo just tip it for mine. Also, as much as I am a fan of Pac a few of his biggest wins have come against slightly past prime legends or have been heavily disputed. Floyd has clear wins over prime fighters in Chavez, Corrales, Castillo and Hatton. Morales and Barrera were great wins no doubt, and they make it close, but I'm gonna have to go with Floyd just.

[Left Hook Tua]

Initially I thought Pacquiao but I'm gonna go with Mayweather.

1. His dominant reign at 130 and crushing wins over Corrales and Castillo just tip it for mine.

2. Also, as much as I am a fan of Pac a few of his biggest wins have come against slightly past prime legends or have been heavily disputed.

3. Floyd has clear wins over prime fighters in Chavez, Corrales, Castillo and Hatton. Morales and Barrera were great wins no doubt, and they make it close, but I'm gonna have to go with Floyd just.

1. corrales and castillo were great wins but his DOMINANT REIGN AT 130 is a little overrated. he beat very good fighters and he was the best at 130 but he didn't unify the division. he just happened to have stayed at 130 the longest.

2. his only big win over a past prime legend is morales. the first time he beat barrera was in barrera's prime.

only 1 win of pacquiao's is heavily disputed. the 2nd marquez fight.

3. those guys might have been in their primes but how great were they? are they first ballot HOFers? maybe potential HOFers but certainly not in the level of a barrera or morales. i don't even think they're on the same level of greatness as marquez who is a level or 2 below erik and marco.

people also underrate pacquiao's wins over ledwaba and sasakul. chatchai sasakul was considered the #1 flyweight in the world when a 19 yr. old pacquiao beat him. ledwaba was considered the #1 super bantam in the world (or #2 behind bones adams) at the time pacquiao beat him and pacquiao took that fight as a last minute replacement.

[Dan...]

1. corrales and castillo were great wins but his DOMINANT REIGN AT 130 is a little overrated. he beat very good fighters and he was the best at 130 but he didn't unify the division. he just happened to have stayed at 130 the longest.

2. his only big win over a past prime legend is morales. the first time he beat barrera was in barrera's prime.

only 1 win of pacquiao's is heavily disputed. the 2nd marquez fight.

3. those guys might have been in their primes but how great were they? are they first ballot HOFers? maybe potential HOFers but certainly not in the level of a barrera or morales. i don't even think they're on the same level of greatness as marquez who is a level or 2 below erik and marco.

people also underrate pacquiao's wins over ledwaba and sasakul. chatchai sasakul was considered the #1 flyweight in the world when a 19 yr. old pacquiao beat him. ledwaba was considered #1 super bantam in the world (or #2 behind bones adams) at the time pacquiao beat him and pacquiao took that fight as last minute replacement.

As always you make exceptional points Tua and I would definately not argue with anyone who wanted to put Pacquiao above Floyd.

When putting Pac's accomplishments of the last few years into context it is difficult for me though, simply because he lost to a slightly past prime Erik and then twice beat a clearly past prime version. His first win over MAB is indeed spectacular and, whilst I feel he was robbed of a legitimate win over Marquez in their first fight, I think most experts see him as having been beaten the second time around.

I also think you are being a little harsh on Mayweather. His 130 reign was extremely impressive. I certainly have never seen a better 130 pounder, and that includes Alexis. His wins at that weight were not just over very good fighters, they were incredibly dominant.

It is close, that is for sure. If Pac can beat Hatton and then Marquez again I would definately place him higher, but right now I give the slightest of slight edges to Mayweather.

[SickmyDuck]

I say Pac........

[SickmyDuck]

then again what do i ****ing know :wank::wank: