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  • Left Hook Tua
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    #231
    Originally posted by danc1984
    As always you make exceptional points Tua and I would definately not argue with anyone who wanted to put Pacquiao above Floyd.

    When putting Pac's accomplishments of the last few years into context it is difficult for me though, simply because he lost to a slightly past prime Erik and then twice beat a clearly past prime version. His first win over MAB is indeed spectacular and, whilst I feel he was robbed of a legitimate win over Marquez in their first fight, I think most experts see him as having been beaten the second time around.

    I also think you are being a little harsh on Mayweather. His 130 reign was extremely impressive. I certainly have never seen a better 130 pounder, and that includes Alexis. His wins at that weight were not just over very good fighters, they were incredibly dominant.

    It is close, that is for sure. If Pac can beat Hatton and then Marquez again I would definately place him higher, but right now I give the slightest of slight edges to Mayweather.
    knowing my taste in type of fighters.....i probably am harsher on floyd than pac.

    as for the morales loss......it's morales. it was a clear loss but a close one. doesn't take anything away from pac for me. remember going into that fight with manny , morales was ranked as the #2 130 fighter in the world , only behind marco who took his wbc 130 belt. pacquiao was the underdog in that fight. it was his first fight at 130. i expected him to lose to morales. at the time i didn't think he could beat erik.

    as far as the 130 reign of floyd. it was an excellent reign. he beat genaro , chavez , manfredy and corrales. corrales was a great win and the rest were very good wins. but when people talk about 130 they make it seem like he cleaned out the division. they also claim he was the lineal champion. he didn't and wasn't. to be fair he should have had the ibf belt to go along with his wbc belt when he beat corrales but the fact is he didn't unify the belts. floyd was champ at 130 from 1998-2002. casamayor , freitas and forbes also had belts. freitas was in the top 10 130 since 1999. all 3 were top 5 at 130 since 2000. in fact casamayor and freitas was #2 and #3 behind #1 floyd in 2001.

    it's easy to look back and say now that his accomplishments at 126 and 130 was not that great. but remember pacquiao was a 122 fighter. he was a huge underdog to barrera the first time they met. he was the underdog to morales the 1st 2 fights and the odds were even for the 1st marquez fight.

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    • Left Hook Tua
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      #232
      Originally posted by spidersilva
      then again what do i ****ing know :wank::wank:
      did you watch the ufc card last night?

      every single fighter i was rooting for lost.

      i was rooting for wanderlei and he got ktfo.

      i was rooting for nog and he got ktfo.

      i was rooting for forrest and he got ktfo.

      something's up with the UFC , man.

      you notice how there was hardly any grappling? i think dana asked the guys to do more standup to get more of the casual fans into it , man.

      something funny is going on. when two bjj guys like nog and mir don't go for a single takedown......there's some funny business about.

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      • MaYaN_SuN
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        #233
        lol Mayweather easily, faced the best of his time...Mayweathers career isn't based on beatin stiff legends.

        Some of Floyds wins have been controversal, but he hung around to prove long enough to say somthing. I can understand the speculation though.

        I mean Mayweather didnt **** with Marg or Cotto, two fights that looked almost certain to take place. Looked like he would lose...

        Even still, 2 fights with Castillo hold alot of weight. Paq doesn't even have a fighter equial to Castillo in his fight plan...

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          #234
          Originally posted by MaYaN_SuN
          lol Mayweather easily, faced the best of his time...Mayweathers career isn't based on beatin stiff legends.

          Some of Floyds wins have been controversal, but he hung around to prove long enough to say somthing. I can understand the speculation though.

          I mean Mayweather didnt **** with Marg or Cotto, two fights that looked almost certain to take place. Looked like he would lose...

          Even still, 2 fights with Castillo hold alot of weight. Paq doesn't even have a fighter equial to Castillo in his fight plan...
          more bs anti-pacquiao propaganda...... they make posts that i don't even think they believe.

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          • Flawless.
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            #235
            People say Castillo beat Mayweather fair enough. Well, Many thought JMM beat Pacman twice
            Last edited by Flawless.; 12-28-2008, 10:49 AM.

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            • Left Hook Tua
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              #236
              Originally posted by Flawless.
              Mayweather say Castillo beat Mayweather fair enough. Well, Many thought JMM beat Pacman twice
              change your avatar.

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              • Flawless.
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                #237
                Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
                change your avatar.
                Why???????????

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                  #238
                  Originally posted by MaYaN_SuN
                  lol Mayweather easily, faced the best of his time...Mayweathers career isn't based on beatin stiff legends.

                  Some of Floyds wins have been controversal, but he hung around to prove long enough to say somthing. I can understand the speculation though.

                  I mean Mayweather didnt **** with Marg or Cotto, two fights that looked almost certain to take place. Looked like he would lose...
                  Even still, 2 fights with Castillo hold alot of weight. Paq doesn't even have a fighter equial to Castillo in his fight plan...

                  A nutthuger doubt to his fighter...

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                  • Left Hook Tua
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                    #239
                    Originally posted by Flawless.
                    Why???????????
                    that **** is sad.

                    that's one of the greatest fighters of all time and you put up a bloody , beat up pic of him in his old age to mock him.

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                    • Flawless.
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                      #240
                      Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
                      that **** is sad.

                      that's one of the greatest fighters of all time and you put up a bloody , beat up pic of him in his old age to mock him.
                      That one or Cotto one

                      CHOOSE

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