Tszyu vs De La Hoya & others, how come it didn't happen?

[Benny Leonard]

Shane Mosley jumped to 147 from 135.

He didnt fight Kostya Tszyu.

He didn't have to. Oscar and the Greats were at 147: MONEY, FAME, and LEGACY.

Shane was having trouble making weight as it was so 5 pounds isn't anything...but 12 pounds is; it's healthy.

Kostya was still trying to rebound and finally got his title shot that he needed and wanted at 140.

Kostya could have moved up in 2000, but he didn't. I think that is when he won the title again...have to check later. Maybe it was a bit earlier.


Don't you think it says something about Kostya that he didn't move up, yet Shane and Oscar kept moving up to face the title holders?

[daggum]

tszyu ducked calzaghe. calzaghe(the dude with the unrecognized wbo belt) kept calling out tszyu but tszyu was scared just like jones and hopkins. they didn't want any piece of the slapping welshwoman.

[IMDAZED]

The first 50% of your post most excellently controverts Benny Leonard's assertions about DeLaHoya.

The second 50% of your post misses the mark. Of course, Floyd says he would love to fight Tszyu (what else can he say?). The problem is...he didn't.

Trust me, I'm no fan of what Floyd did from 140-147. But the assertion that he didn't want to fight Tszyu is just...dumb. It took Tszyu forever to gain back credibility after getting manhandled by Phillips. I'm more inclined to believe that the guy who gave an immediate rematch to a tough opponent (Mayweather to Castillo) is less likely to avoid then the guy who pretended no one ever battered him (Tszyu to Phillips).

[Dirk Diggler UK]

EXCELLENT. I just wanted to make sure you weren't inferring that.

Yet you assumed I was.

Typical.

Don't open your mouth till you know what the shot is.

[wmute]

Yeah. They all share the belts at 147, occasionally trading. Maybe move up to JrMW to grab an easy belt. It's good for business. Meanwhile, Tszyu holds all the 140 belts at once. What is a superstar to do?

no. read my post again.

I will repeat it for you. Zoo had a belt (IBF). Oscar had the belt at 140 (Ring and WBC), because he beat JC. Zoo didnt unify until 2001.

In the meantime Oscar had fought Tito, Quartey, Mosley and Pea.

That's fuc+ing brilliant logic, I will duck Zoo to fight Pea, Ike and Tito. Oscar is a fuc+ing genius! He ducked Zoo to pick much easier fights.... LOL

I can see the signs of the great mind who said Calzaghe has better defense than Mayweather.

[Fox McCloud]

Trust me, I'm no fan of what Floyd did from 140-147. But the assertion that he didn't want to fight Tszyu is just...dumb. It took Tszyu forever to gain back credibility after getting manhandled by Phillips. I'm more inclined to believe that the guy who gave an immediate rematch to a tough opponent (Mayweather to Castillo) is less likely to avoid then the guy who pretended no one ever battered him (Tszyu to Phillips).

2 things:

1. Phillips lost almost immediately to Terrence Cauthen (I think), because he came in almost dead because he dehydrated so bad to make weight. He wasn't a very solid performer in the gym before a fight.

2. Mayweather's run at 140 was when Tszyu was still on top. Remember, Hatton unseated Tszyu when Mayweather was in the division. I think Mayweather was trying to get a PPV name before fighting Tszyu, but... I wasn't around, so I'm not 100% sure.

[IMDAZED]

Yet you assumed I was.

Typical.

Don't open your mouth till you know what the shot is.

I don't have to assume anything. But I do have to clarify with the slow.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I don't have to assume anything. But I do have to clarify with the slow.

Well you flat out suggested that I said he was scared.

Which I never did.

Who's slow again?

[Benny Leonard]

Understanding your post, but I ask: Just how is Tszyu supposed to move up? It isn't that simple. The undisputed JrWW titlist is not going to fight B ranked contenders at WW just to be able to claim, "I've moved up". No. He moves up by accepting a huge money offer from one of the WW champs. To my knowledge, this never happened. If I'm wrong, provide the proof. Surely, you will say "Tszyu could have made an offer." That is true and there is a fair critique of Tszyu on this point, I suppose. I've already admitted as much. But, that doesn't explain why he was skipped at 140 by the ultra money in boxing. The explanation for this is.......the business of boxing. The conventional wisdom was that Tszyu was not a safe gateway up the ladder to more lucrative divisions. He stood there like a troll, guarding the gates. Best just to take another road around the troll, like Mayweather did, Mosely did, and yes....Oscar did (but I will admit that Oscar did it a little more artfully).

Ah, Yes...just put on some pounds. With Tszyu's frame size it would have been quite easy.

And after Tszyu lost to Phillips, who did he fight...was it for a title?

You aren't owed anything in this sport. Tszyu wasn't a Champion any longer so he had no rights. His legacy just took a knockout shot.

And when Shane moved up to 147, who did he fight in his first match; was it for a title and a Huge money? NO.

The only one that could get away with it was the GOLDEN BOY because he was the Attraction.

Like I said many times before: Tszyu was set to face Oscar, but he lost his title to Phillips, so Oscar moved on.

[IMDAZED]

2 things:

1. Phillips lost almost immediately to Terrence Cauthen (I think), because he came in almost dead because he dehydrated so bad to make weight. He wasn't a very solid performer in the gym before a fight.

2. Mayweather's run at 140 was when Tszyu was still on top. Remember, Hatton unseated Tszyu when Mayweather was in the division. I think Mayweather was trying to get a PPV name before fighting Tszyu, but... I wasn't around, so I'm not 100% sure.

Phillips was never consistent anyway. But he was damn good at 140. And he didn't go anywhere, win or lose. Tszyu could have rematched him. The same way he could've moved to 147 and fought someone there too.

Tszyu was on top, which is why I mentioned Mayweather calling him an A-class fighter.