Tszyu vs De La Hoya & others, how come it didn't happen?

[Wiley Hyena]

i think he's trying to say pbf, judah, and mosely all rely on speed. tszyu relies on timing.

but he should qualify it better.. pbf relies on defense, speed, and timing. judah relies on speed and punching power. mosley relies on speed and strength. tszyu relies on timing and power punching.

I'll refer to your post to qualify what I said. It has nothing to do with being black. I see a commonality between Judah-Mosely-Mayweather in that they all rely on extreme speed and technique to score. Of course there are differences.

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i think he's trying to say pbf, judah, and mosely all rely on speed. tszyu relies on timing.

but he should qualify it better.. pbf relies on defense, speed, and timing. judah relies on speed and punching power. mosley relies on speed and strength. tszyu relies on timing and power punching.

oh i see, so basically he thinks zoo ahs the right style to beat those fighters... Ignoring the fact that Mayweather could fight the entire fight on the inside and beat Zoo and the hardest punch to land on him is a straight right, or that Shane has a hell of a chin, and would be throwing and landing a lot on Zoo.

On the other hand this comes from the guy sho is more impressed by Calzaghe's defense than Mayweather's ....

[Wiley Hyena]

Originally posted by Benny Leonard:

"And you are telling me they weren't willing to take the risk on Kostya Tszyu, a 140 pound fighter that got KTFO by Phillips? WOW.

All Tszyu had to do is move up one division, just like they did...but guess what, he didn't. Why? because there was no threat at 140.

Where was the Money...Where was the Legacy at that time? It was at 147.

Oscar wanted to fight Tszyu but it was Tszyu who blew it by losing to Vince Phillips."


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First of all, the "money" was at 147 because Oscar skipped out on Tszyu and moved to 147. Everybody knows that at the time, OSCAR was the big non-heavyweight money in boxing. Why should Oscar take a risk against Tszyu at 140, when he could have 147 as his own personal playpen?

Second, Oscar's decision to move to 147 had nothing to do with Tszyu's lone loss to Phillips. That can be claimed as an excuse, but the truth has more traction. Oscar left 140 to fight the aging Pernel Whitaker, instead of Tszyu. We can forgive him for this particular business decision...easier money against a faded superstar. The problem is that Oscar never came back (or wanted to, I suspect).

Yes, I am telling you they weren't willing to take a risk on Kostya Tszyu. What happens if Oscar would have lost at 140 to Tszyu? Oscar's stock drops.....that would have been BAD FOR BOXING. Same can be said of Mayweather and Mosely. The business of boxing determined these matters. It's all about easy belts, hype, and pay preview buys. America, at the time, was the biggest boxing market in the world (still is, I assume). Had Tszyu based himself in the USA and perhaps obtained a duel citizenship, perhaps he would have received a larger portion of the pie. But, as it happened, they left him alone to rule 140. Now enters Zab Judah on his own fledgling superstar rocket. He decided to ignite it by beating the master boxer himself. The rocket blew up on the launching pad and confirmed what the business of boxing already well knew: You don't risk superstar status by fighting Kostya Tszyu.

[Left Hook Tua]

lmao at those who say kostya was slow in his prime......

go watch some videos of the guy when he was prime.

[-Hyperion-]

A Tszyu-DLH fight was very close to happening before Tszyu lost to Phillips, once he lost to Phillips, the talks died down and never really resurfaced.

end of thread....

[-Hyperion-]

Ah, yeah when your risking your health. Shane said he couldn't make the weight anymore and 5 pounds up wasn't going to cut it...so he decided to take the chance and move up to 147 where Oscar was.

LOL...How is Oscar the type not to take risks? Oscar fought bigger, stronger, faster, better boxers than Kostya Tszyu? Oscar faced a prime Tito at 147. Shane fought a prime Oscar and a prime Vernon Forrest at 147. Shane would also continue to move up and fight a fighter people avoided; Winky Wright. Oscar would move all the way up to Middleweight to face Bernard Hopkins. And you are telling me they weren't willing to take the risk on Kostya Tszyu, a 140 pound fighter that got KTFO by Phillips? WOW.

All Tszyu had to do is move up one division, just like they did...but guess what, he didn't. Why? because there was no threat at 140.

Where was the Money...Where was the Legacy at that time? It was at 147.

Oscar wanted to fight Tszyu but it was Tszyu who blew it by losing to Vince Phillips.

And who would you go after if you were Shane?: Oscar, who brings MONEY, FANS, and LEGACY or Kostya Tszyu who lost to Phillips and isn't quite that known in America?

And for Hatton, they are not "excuses" if they are the "reasons" Ricky also gave on why he had a chance. Ricky was one of the people that said Tszyu's age and inactivity would work against him. Even the British commentator mentioned the inactivity and age: 9 rounds and 3 years.

You know who picked Ricky: Sugar Ray Leonard and Emanuel Steward. Forget the rest right now. They weren't buying into Tszyu at that point.

I agreed with Ricky when he said the Mitchell fight wasn't enough to show if Kostya had the stamina to go distance anymore; the fight was short.

And No, I didn't predict Hatton would stop Tszyu, but I did think he could possibly wear him down and make it a tough fight because of the reasons. if he could make it out of the early rounds. I thought it was a 60/40 fight in favor of Tszyu.

I wasn't a fool that gets caught up in the hype because he blew away a faded Mitchel who not only looked scared to fight, he was scared...so Tyson and Steward said later after they saw him in the locker-room.

These aren't excuses: 35 years of age; was called past his prime for years; had only fought 9 rounds in 3 years; had two serious shoulder injuries that required surgery...in fact, I think he even tore his ACL in training which was another inactive spell.

Did Hatton make it a factor? Of course he did. Any good fighter would have. Mitchell couldn't do it. If Tszyu had fought Shane, Oscar, etc. he would have been defeated as well.

Going back to Tszyu not moving up:
I wanted Kostya to move up. There were big names at 147 as well as big money. If he had fought them and won, he would become a big name in America. But he chose not to.

There was even talks about Kostya moving up to face Oscar after Ricky Hatton...but once again, he blew his chance by losing.

end of ****ing thread

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Originally posted by Benny Leonard:

"And you are telling me they weren't willing to take the risk on Kostya Tszyu, a 140 pound fighter that got KTFO by Phillips? WOW.

All Tszyu had to do is move up one division, just like they did...but guess what, he didn't. Why? because there was no threat at 140.

Where was the Money...Where was the Legacy at that time? It was at 147.

Oscar wanted to fight Tszyu but it was Tszyu who blew it by losing to Vince Phillips."


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First of all, the "money" was at 147 because Oscar skipped out on Tszyu and moved to 147. Everybody knows that at the time, OSCAR was the big non-heavyweight money in boxing. Why should Oscar take a risk against Tszyu at 140, when he could have 147 as his own personal playpen?

Second, Oscar's decision to move to 147 had nothing to do with Tszyu's lone loss to Phillips. That can be claimed as an excuse, but the truth has more traction. Oscar left 140 to fight the aging Pernel Whitaker, instead of Tszyu. We can forgive him for this particular business decision...easier money against a faded superstar. The problem is that Oscar never came back (or wanted to, I suspect).

Yes, I am telling you they weren't willing to take a risk on Kostya Tszyu. What happens if Oscar would have lost at 140 to Tszyu? Oscar's stock drops.....that would have been BAD FOR BOXING. Same can be said of Mayweather and Mosely. The business of boxing determined these matters. It's all about easy belts, hype, and pay preview buys. America, at the time, was the biggest boxing market in the world (still is, I assume). Had Tszyu based himself in the USA and perhaps obtained a duel citizenship, perhaps he would have received a larger portion of the pie. But, as it happened, they left him alone to rule 140. Now enters Zab Judah on his own fledgling superstar rocket. He decided to ignite it by beating the master boxer himself. The rocket blew up on the launching pad and confirmed what the business of boxing already well knew: You don't risk superstar status by fighting Kostya Tszyu.

147 = personal playpen? you ***in kidding me?

140: Zoo
147: Pea, Tito, Quartey. All of which where champs when Oscar moved up, the only loss of those 3 fighters combined was the Ramirez robbery for Pea.

So Oscar (ring champ at 140 if I am not mistaken) ducked Zoo (a beltholder at the time) to move to a higher weight where the 3 champs were Pea, Tito and Ike?

good luck making sense

[-Hyperion-]

First of all, the "money" was at 147 because Oscar skipped out on Tszyu and moved to 147. Everybody knows that at the time, OSCAR was the big non-heavyweight money in boxing. Why should Oscar take a risk against Tszyu at 140, when he could have 147 as his own personal playpen?

Second, Oscar's decision to move to 147 had nothing to do with Tszyu's lone loss to Phillips. That can be claimed as an excuse, but the truth has more traction. Oscar left 140 to fight the aging Pernel Whitaker, instead of Tszyu. We can forgive him for this particular business decision...easier money against a faded superstar. The problem is that Oscar never came back (or wanted to, I suspect).

Yes, I am telling you they weren't willing to take a risk on Kostya Tszyu. What happens if Oscar would have lost at 140 to Tszyu? Oscar's stock drops.....that would have been BAD FOR BOXING. Same can be said of Mayweather and Mosely. The business of boxing determined these matters. It's all about easy belts, hype, and pay preview buys. America, at the time, was the biggest boxing market in the world (still is, I assume). Had Tszyu based himself in the USA and perhaps obtained a duel citizenship, perhaps he would have received a larger portion of the pie. But, as it happened, they left him alone to rule 140. Now enters Zab Judah on his own fledgling superstar rocket. He decided to ignite it by beating the master boxer himself. The rocket blew up on the launching pad and confirmed what the business of boxing already well knew: You don't risk superstar status by fighting Kostya Tszyu.

first of all, tito-whtaker-quartey-carr-camacho were already at 147 before oscar moved up.....it was a big division without oscar...
whitaker was ranked #1 p4p by ring when oscar beat him, im pretty sure thats higher than a Tszyu who had just lost to Vince ****ing Phillips....

oscar never went down to 140.....jesus i wonder if that has anything to do with chasing great money fights wth guys much more dangerous than Tszyu.....Whitaker-Quartey-Tito(im sure Vince Phillips has nightmares about Quartey's jab)

Zab had done and has done nothing to justify his hype...


fact is Tszyu was content with being a big fish in a small pond....

[Wiley Hyena]

147 = personal playpen? you ***in kidding me?

140: Zoo
147: Pea, Tito, Quartey. All of which where champs when Oscar moved up, the only loss of those 3 fighters combined was the Ramirez robbery for Pea.

So Oscar (ring champ at 140 if I am not mistaken) ducked Zoo (a beltholder at the time) to move to a higher weight where the 3 champs were Pea, Tito and Ike?

good luck making sense

Yeah. They all share the belts at 147, occasionally trading. Maybe move up to JrMW to grab an easy belt. It's good for business. Meanwhile, Tszyu holds all the 140 belts at once. What is a superstar to do?

[-Hyperion-]

Yeah. They all share the belts at 147, occasionally trading. Maybe move up to JrMW to grab an easy belt. It's good for business. Meanwhile, Tszyu holds all the 140 belts at once. What is a superstar to do?

youre such a trash poster........nothing but delusional ramblings......zero facts