Tszyu vs De La Hoya & others, how come it didn't happen?

[Wiley Hyena]

Originally posted by Hyperion:

"fact is Tszyu was content with being a big fish in a small pond...."

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Ok, I'm not a total Tszyu nuthugger. This is a fair critique of Tszyu. For all you newcomers to the thread, the issue here is: Why didn't Tszyu CHASE the big money up the ladder to 147, instead of staying his whole career at 140?

We can't really ever know unless the man himself makes a statement. Perhaps he knew his optimum weight class was JRWW. Perhaps had he ever been OFFERED a huge money fight against a superstar at WW he would have taken it. As far as I know, that never happened. If I'm wrong, then provide the proof.

[Poet682006]

Just cos they are black they dont fight the same AT ALL.

Yeah, no kidding LOL!

Poet

[Wiley Hyena]

OSCAR DID NOT SKIP OUT ON TSZYU: TSZYU LOST TO PHILLIPS AND BLEW THE MATCH THAT WAS GOING TO BE SET....UNDERSTAND?

Tszyu was the one that didn't want to take the risk anymore after losing to Phillips. The 147 division was hot with talent and Money and Tszyu DID NOT MOVE UP. Nobody told Tszyu he couldn't move up; he just didn't.

You are not going to move up to 147 and then move back down to 140; that's not Oscar's problem...it's Tszyu's problem to move up.

Shane and Oscar are two of the most risk taking fighters in their generation...Tszyu isn't.

CHECK OUT THEIR RESUMES.

TSZYU NEVER MOVED UP TO 147...LOOK WHO FOUGHT THE TOUGHER OPPONENTS...THAT'S THE END.

Understanding your post, but I ask: Just how is Tszyu supposed to move up? It isn't that simple. The undisputed JrWW titlist is not going to fight B ranked contenders at WW just to be able to claim, "I've moved up". No. He moves up by accepting a huge money offer from one of the WW champs. To my knowledge, this never happened. If I'm wrong, provide the proof. Surely, you will say "Tszyu could have made an offer." That is true and there is a fair critique of Tszyu on this point, I suppose. I've already admitted as much. But, that doesn't explain why he was skipped at 140 by the ultra money in boxing. The explanation for this is.......the business of boxing. The conventional wisdom was that Tszyu was not a safe gateway up the ladder to more lucrative divisions. He stood there like a troll, guarding the gates. Best just to take another road around the troll, like Mayweather did, Mosely did, and yes....Oscar did (but I will admit that Oscar did it a little more artfully).

[Poet682006]

Originally posted by Hyperion:

"fact is Tszyu was content with being a big fish in a small pond...."

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Ok, I'm not a total Tszyu nuthugger. This is a fair critique of Tszyu. For all you newcomers to the thread, the issue here is: Why didn't Tszyu CHASE the big money up the ladder to 147, instead of staying his whole career at 140?

We can't really ever know unless the man himself makes a statement. Perhaps he knew his optimum weight class was JRWW. Perhaps had he ever been OFFERED a huge money fight against a superstar at WW he would have taken it. As far as I know, that never happened. If I'm wrong, then provide the proof.

Okay, I have to ask. What ever happend to a fighter spending his career in a weight class and just ruling it? I personally admire Hagler for doing it and was revolted by Leonard and Hearns jumping divisions to collect belts. I can understand a young fighter moving up as his body matures and grows out of his intitial weight class or an older fighter having problems keeping the weight off and having to move up; but this constant changing of divisions just to pursue more belts or bigger purses just disgusts me.

Poet

[HappyBoxingFan]

first of all i'd like to freely admit that i'm a big Kostya fan and have never really liked Oscar but i'd like to recieve unbias legitimate analysis from more knowlegdable posters than myself

i didn't follow the lower weight classes at that time, mainly cuz i was quite young at the time so i'm hoping for some true insight

so how come Tszyu never faced some of the better guys in and around 140 like De La Hoya, Mosley, Chavez earlier, add to list please...

For example Gonzalez, Kostya fought him not even 2 years after Oscar so i think it's fair to assume Gonzalez wasn't "past it" and is okay to say they faced a similar version of him and i thought Kostya ****d him far better than Oscar did

is it accurate to say that it is possible with some of his more impressive showings that Kostya looked like too tough of a challege and risk for Oscar and others around his weight during that time? Or did promoters, losses (Phillips), money, networks, and things of that sort the sole blame for it not happening?

If anyone has real knowledge of the subject and could inform me as to why these didn't happen i'd really appreciate it.

please don't post if your aim is to have this degenerate into a Oscar is the greatest ever, woulda killed him/Oscar is gay, or Kostya's the best ever/Kostya was scared, i'm hoping for real awnsers

Kostya was Never on Oscar's radar. He has the name recognition of a tune-up and the skills of a champ. That is the antithesis of an Oscar opponent.

[Wiley Hyena]

youre such a trash poster........nothing but delusional ramblings......zero facts

The truth hurts...........obviously.

[JulioCesaChavez]

Truth be told, they were **** scared of his lethal right hand and getting knocked the **** out!!!!!! Oscar had no excuses and neither did Floyd. trinidad would have been first to go. People found it easier to go around the division rather than through it.

[Pullcounter]

I don't think tszyu would've been as effective at 147.

[Wiley Hyena]

Okay, I have to ask. What ever happend to a fighter spending his career in a weight class and just ruling it? I personally admire Hagler for doing it and was revolted by Leonard and Hearns jumping divisions to collect belts. I can understand a young fighter moving up as his body matures and grows out of his intitial weight class or an older fighter having problems keeping the weight off and having to move up; but this constant changing of divisions just to pursue more belts or bigger purses just disgusts me.

Poet

Absolutely perfect post...........I cannot have said it better.

[Poet682006]

Absolutely perfect post...........I cannot have said it better.

Honestly, people have had the temarity to say to me that Hagler wasn't as good as Leonard or Hearns because he DIDN'T prove it in multiple weight classes: As if division jumping is an attribute of greatness.

Poet