did Jones avoid the best fighters and fight so cautiously cause

[IMDAZED]

Dariusz is more Kessler to Roy's Calzaghe, methinks.

[ferocity]

Youngster? Homie you're only a year older than me so dont go there with me! Yeah Toney did it but dont forget he got stripped because of supposed Steroid use so thats a moot point there!

No doubt that Lennox would give Roy a beating...The point is... you said he was scared to fight bigger guys and I pointed out that he went to the Heavyweight Division to fight a bigger man...So why did you say that if it was false?

Because it was at a time when Roy was on top and some of the guys like Collins and DM, were big lh, **** they could of beat Ruiz. Maybe i should of said he was scared of confronting guys that could possably beat him, which is more accurate.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

what logic? what logic did i state?

i stated two facts. period.

Ok but it seems pretty clear that you're suggesting because Roy beat Gonzalez and Dariusz dropped a split decision too him later in his career that Dariusz wasnt much to be concerned about.

When it seems pretty clear to most with sense that he was Roy's biggest challenger.

Personally I think Roy would've pasted him but like you told me before........opinions are like arseholes.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I know man!

Look, I ain't gonna lie, I have barely seen anything of DM, but Julio just was not on Roy's level! Roy was tagging him with lead left hooks and lead right hands all night. He completely dominated that fight, yet people on these boards (you ****s know who you are) go on like Roy's 175 reign don't mean **** because he didn't beat DM - some Euro nobody that couldn't even beat Julio! Get the *** out of here!

To make matters worse, these are sometimes the same individuals who go on like Joe was the **** at SMW for 10 years despite the fact that he only held 1 belt and fought the likes of Sakio Bika and Peter Manfredo.

First off - styles make fights.

Secondly Joe was already undisputed Super Middleweight Champ when he fought Bika the Beast and Manfredo the Monster.

Whats up with you anyway? You seem in full nuthuggeroid mode at the moment.

[THE REED]

i dont think roy ducked dm, i think it was an over seas situation, where neither fighter wanted to leave his territory... roy does have a win over someone who beat DM... does that mean something? I dont know... What I do know is I think Roy would of trashed DM, and so do most boxing writers, or so ive read.

[Chase8400]

There is no proof. You just keep plucking quotes from other, slightly more intelligent posters than yourself. You dont even know anything about Jones and you call yourself a nuthugger?

If the two best middleweights fight and one loses, that doesnt mean they get "wiped from the picture". When Jermain Taylor got knocked out by Kelly Pavlik, did he suddenyl get "wiped from the picture" and overtaken by some guy who hadnt even fought a championship fight?

Or did he simply go from being the best to the 2nd best then fighting a rematch. Which incidentally is what Jackson and McClellan did. There were more than 3 fighters ranked above Hopkins at Middleweight. Like Ive said, dudes like Mike McCallum, Sumbu Kalamby and Reggie Johnson were above him.

My initial statement that Hopkins WAS NOT the best Middleweight in the world when Roy fought him still stands even if we believe all your bull****. You're just further proving my point.

Why dude, Why? Seriously, why? No........seriously, why? Why do you do this? Are you really this hard headed and have no life and live in your own, "i've gotta be right" world? This whole thread has been people providing proof, not only me and you still sit here and deny, deny, deny. LOL, man i really do pitty you. I was the one who started all this **** in this thread, and you say I pluck other peoples quotes? When I wrote the last post to you , I had not even read anything beyond your last post to me. Look it up, dumbass. I simply gave you the facts. Roy was Ring ranked #1 and Jones was #2. It was said on the HBO telecast. That is Proof *****! Proof, right there. Another couple of guys showed you proof with links and you said you didnt have to look at it, like you have some boxing databank at the house or something. Go to Youtube and look at the video. What a dillusional soul you are. I'm no Bert Randolph Sugar or anything but I put your boxing knowledge to shame , Jones Hater UK punk biotch.

[IMDAZED]

Because it was at a time when Roy was on top and some of the guys like Collins and DM, were big lh, **** they could of beat Ruiz. Maybe i should of said he was scared of confronting guys that could possably beat him, which is more accurate.

Steve Collins? Light heavyweight? Are you sure?

And I highly doubt the Dariusz Michalchewski who was getting beaten by Graciano Rochigianni, had two wars with Richard Hall and another with Derrick Harmon would've been successful at CRUISER, much less heavy.

[THE REED]

i mean, did u guys see jones - hall?

it reminds me of what happens when i slap box my buddies when there drunk

[Chase8400]

This is just lazy logic.

Roy got knocked out cold twice in the months following that.

Yea, if you consider 3 years later after moving to heavyweight months later. Hahahahaha! What a ****in ***** you are.

[Dan...]

First off - styles make fights.

Secondly Joe was already undisputed Super Middleweight Champ when he fought Bika the Beast and Manfredo the Monster.

Whats up with you anyway? You seem in full nuthuggeroid mode at the moment.

I nuthug occasionally.

I know styles make fights but there are limitations to that concept. When a guy is clearly not on another guy's level it does not matter if he has a style that would trouble him, the class difference simply overcomes that.

Look, I'm not here to try and tarnish DM or Calzaghe or anybody else, I just think sometimes Roy's resume is subject to a lot more criticism than it deserves simply because he was that good in a lot of his fights. His resume at 175 is riddled with guys who were top contenders and champions in the division for an extended period of time.

I just think the man deserves more respect for what he has achieved than some people give him.