Why do some people hate Joe Calzaghe?

[Undefeated]

Its his fans.

They make him to be this great fighter while I dissagree. Won't give B-Hop a rematch either.

You can't be a god and run at the same time.

[KostyaTszyu44]

I think some of the reasons are

* Boxing fans are used to someone building up a reputation slowly. A guy is a prospect, then a champ, then establishes himself with defences, then maybe unification, and around this time people are talking about him being on the P4P list. A good example of this is Dawson, who, having just beaten the next best champion in his division, is borderline top 10 in most people's eyes.

With Calzaghe it's a bit different. To a lot of people, he seemed to suddenly skip to being a P4P guy overnight. Ok, he beat Lacy and Kessler, but are those guys as well known as Tarver? No. So that leaves the casual fans a bit puzzled by how highly Calzaghe is regarded.

Are Lacy and Kessler better than the Tarver of 2008? Many would say no, which explains the skeptics among the hardcore fans.

Another thing is that the fight where he was supposed to answer all the questions about him (vs Hopkins) didn't answer that many questions, because it was an unimpressive performance and a disputed decision.


*Fighting style. It isn't pretty and it isn't impressive to the casual fans, or to many hardcore fans either.

Calzaghe fought Manfredo because he was the most well know B/C level fighter in the division. The plan is that you look spectacular because the guy is nowhere near as good as you, but the casual fans don't dismiss it out of hand because the guy has a minor claim to fame from The Contender. Pretty much like Cotto vs Gomez. The difference is that Cotto destroyed Gomez and looked fantastic, whereas Calzaghe...well, you know...it wasn't that good, was it?


*The fans on here who only post to defend Calzaghe or UK fighters. It annoys people. A lot of posters who aren't that interested in Calzaghe are tired of going to NSB and seeing the same stuff every day. Some pro-Calzaghe threads, some anti-Calzaghe threads, but most of them descending into silly arguments that people find annoying.


*The feeling that Calzaghe was content to just be a WBO belt holder for the prime of his career. Look at Wright-Mosley I. Mosley was offered $12M to fight someone he had already beaten twice. He instead took $3-4M to fight Winky. For his part, Wright accepted a much smaller paycheck ($800,000) in order to make the fight. Why? Because that's what you have to do sometimes in order to achieve as much as possible.

Whatever people say, Calzaghe could've fought someone like Virgil Hill in America. He might have taken a short-term pay cut, but if he had won, it would've paid off, just like it did for Winky Wright.

Winky is a boxer who fought in The US, Africa, South America, France, Luxembourg and the UK. That's what you do when you're desperate to prove that you're the best. Calzaghe did not do that.

bloody good post, green K

esp. the highlighted bit

[Dan...]

I think some of the reasons are

* Boxing fans are used to someone building up a reputation slowly. A guy is a prospect, then a champ, then establishes himself with defences, then maybe unification, and around this time people are talking about him being on the P4P list. A good example of this is Dawson, who, having just beaten the next best champion in his division, is borderline top 10 in most people's eyes.

With Calzaghe it's a bit different. To a lot of people, he seemed to suddenly skip to being a P4P guy overnight. Ok, he beat Lacy and Kessler, but are those guys as well known as Tarver? No. So that leaves the casual fans a bit puzzled by how highly Calzaghe is regarded.

Are Lacy and Kessler better than the Tarver of 2008? Many would say no, which explains the skeptics among the hardcore fans.

Another thing is that the fight where he was supposed to answer all the questions about him (vs Hopkins) didn't answer that many questions, because it was an unimpressive performance and a disputed decision.


*Fighting style. It isn't pretty and it isn't impressive to the casual fans, or to many hardcore fans either.

Calzaghe fought Manfredo because he was the most well know B/C level fighter in the division. The plan is that you look spectacular because the guy is nowhere near as good as you, but the casual fans don't dismiss it out of hand because the guy has a minor claim to fame from The Contender. Pretty much like Cotto vs Gomez. The difference is that Cotto destroyed Gomez and looked fantastic, whereas Calzaghe...well, you know...it wasn't that good, was it?


*The fans on here who only post to defend Calzaghe or UK fighters. It annoys people. A lot of posters who aren't that interested in Calzaghe are tired of going to NSB and seeing the same stuff every day. Some pro-Calzaghe threads, some anti-Calzaghe threads, but most of them descending into silly arguments that people find annoying.


*The feeling that Calzaghe was content to just be a WBO belt holder for the prime of his career. Look at Wright-Mosley I. Mosley was offered $12M to fight someone he had already beaten twice. He instead took $3-4M to fight Winky. For his part, Wright accepted a much smaller paycheck ($800,000) in order to make the fight. Why? Because that's what you have to do sometimes in order to achieve as much as possible.

Whatever people say, Calzaghe could've fought someone like Virgil Hill in America. He might have taken a short-term pay cut, but if he had won, it would've paid off, just like it did for Winky Wright.

Winky is a boxer who fought in The US, Africa, South America, France, Luxembourg and the UK. That's what you do when you're desperate to prove that you're the best. Calzaghe did not do that.

Clegg it can be a bit scary how well you post sometimes.

[GreatestIam]

**** yu and your poll, i dont like Joe calzaghe for the same reason i don tlike you, i dont knwo you dont wanna know you and i think your ****Y *****!

[Addition]

I think some of the reasons are

* Boxing fans are used to someone building up a reputation slowly. A guy is a prospect, then a champ, then establishes himself with defences, then maybe unification, and around this time people are talking about him being on the P4P list. A good example of this is Dawson, who, having just beaten the next best champion in his division, is borderline top 10 in most people's eyes.

With Calzaghe it's a bit different. To a lot of people, he seemed to suddenly skip to being a P4P guy overnight. Ok, he beat Lacy and Kessler, but are those guys as well known as Tarver? No. So that leaves the casual fans a bit puzzled by how highly Calzaghe is regarded.

Are Lacy and Kessler better than the Tarver of 2008? Many would say no, which explains the skeptics among the hardcore fans.

Another thing is that the fight where he was supposed to answer all the questions about him (vs Hopkins) didn't answer that many questions, because it was an unimpressive performance and a disputed decision.


*Fighting style. It isn't pretty and it isn't impressive to the casual fans, or to many hardcore fans either.

Calzaghe fought Manfredo because he was the most well know B/C level fighter in the division. The plan is that you look spectacular because the guy is nowhere near as good as you, but the casual fans don't dismiss it out of hand because the guy has a minor claim to fame from The Contender. Pretty much like Cotto vs Gomez. The difference is that Cotto destroyed Gomez and looked fantastic, whereas Calzaghe...well, you know...it wasn't that good, was it?


*The fans on here who only post to defend Calzaghe or UK fighters. It annoys people. A lot of posters who aren't that interested in Calzaghe are tired of going to NSB and seeing the same stuff every day. Some pro-Calzaghe threads, some anti-Calzaghe threads, but most of them descending into silly arguments that people find annoying.


*The feeling that Calzaghe was content to just be a WBO belt holder for the prime of his career. Look at Wright-Mosley I. Mosley was offered $12M to fight someone he had already beaten twice. He instead took $3-4M to fight Winky. For his part, Wright accepted a much smaller paycheck ($800,000) in order to make the fight. Why? Because that's what you have to do sometimes in order to achieve as much as possible.

Whatever people say, Calzaghe could've fought someone like Virgil Hill in America. He might have taken a short-term pay cut, but if he had won, it would've paid off, just like it did for Winky Wright.

Winky is a boxer who fought in The US, Africa, South America, France, Luxembourg and the UK. That's what you do when you're desperate to prove that you're the best. Calzaghe did not do that.

Excellent post Clegg.

[S A M U R A I]

**** yu and your poll, i dont like Joe calzaghe for the same reason i don tlike you, i dont knwo you dont wanna know you and i think your ****Y *****!

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[theghost#1]

Im a big fan of Calzaghe simply beacuse of his style. Some people don't like, But oh well. It's very rare for a fighter from Wales to have the speed and skills that he has. I'm not sure why peopkle hate him though. I guess because he fought most of his career in Wales, But people need to remember he fights in Wales for the same reason Oscar, FMJ, Roy, etc, fight only in America.

[Ray*]

Something that puzzles me, is why some people hate Joe Calzaghe. We see themposting here every day: Daggum, Flawless, DiegoFuego, TheManchine, Burner, etc. There are even Brits who seem to dislike him: Terrible, Chunk, raycorey, Duffgun, etc. Some in the American media have long discredited him, such as Max Kellerman, Teddy Atlas and Dan (Arse) Iole.

He's 45-0, he's won all the titles at 168: Ring, WBC, WBA, IBF, and of course WBO.

He had some soft title defenses (like Starie and Pudwill), but so did Hopkins and Jones, and Joe he fought a lot of good opponents and world champions as well: Kessler, Lacy, Eubank, Mitchell, Brewer, Hopkins, etc.

Strangely, once Joe defeats someone, the haters come out and say that opponent was no good (Lacy) average (Kessler) or shot (Hopkins, Eubank). No matter who he fights and defeats, some will never give him credit.

The purpose of this thread is to find out WHY.

Seriously you must be deluded, Joe C is one of my favourite fighter not only in the uk but in the world,He was also born in the SAME area as me...YOU must be crazy to even think that i dont like a skilled boxer like Joe C..

If you're talking about me not liking someone then please signme up for Hatton who i think is overrated over here..

[Mr. Philadel]

**** yu and your poll, i dont like Joe calzaghe for the same reason i don tlike you, i dont knwo you dont wanna know you and i think your ****Y *****!

it get like that during B-Hop fight week.....my pre-fight mode. Whats your excuse my dude?

[BennyST]

I don't hate him. Hate's a strong word. I just dislike because of the way acts. He comes off as a smug prick. He annoys me and so does his dad.

Does that mean you hate most fighters? Do you hate Mayweather? Hopkins? Toney? Jones Jr? Hamed? Casamayor? ... every other fighter?