Why do some people hate Joe Calzaghe?

[Kris Silver]

Drop a few pounds or put some pounds on and you can move to another weight division.

He could barely get down to SMW, let alone lose a few pounds and make MW. It's unlikely he'd be able to negotiate a catch weight of anything around 166 even as then there's no belts for the opponents to gain either. So it's not an attractive name and money fight for those guys and nor Joe. Just another spanner in the works that leaves other fights far more logical and workable for everyone.

Roy cites Calzaghe's people as the reason the fight didnt come off years ago, perhaps Warren. Personally I think there might be some truth in that but that it's not just wimpy warren, but a lame deal and stipulations making it unfair and unattractive. Roy flirted with SMW a bit but he didn't go and take on the top guy did he. Plus Roy and Nard on the whole pretty much skipped to LHW, bit wierd wouldn't you say.

Joe was best at SMW and had some likely unifications like Lacy and Kessler for once making all those years of defences more wortwhile, so it's understandable not chasing guys at a higher weight losing the belts fighting lame small money and name guys at LHW, just on the whim of possibly getting Roy. That's a ridiculous amount of hoops to jump through with nothing coming back or definitive.

So unlucky for Nard and Roy now he's unified and done with SMW their past prime and so is he, only not so much so he's getting the better odds now. Oh well. Calzaghe wanted to face Ottke and woulda faced any top SMW especially with a belt had the deal and stuff been right. The biggest real thing to emerge from SMW in some time is Kessler, and he beat him.

[Chunk..]

What's Joe's natural weight.

[hammerhiem]

Roy Jones Jnr,in his career,moved from Middleweight to Heavyweight and won titles at middleweight,Super Middleweight,light heavyweight and heavyweight.

RJJ is unique in that regaurd and a sure fire ATG.

Calzaghe is just a great fighter, there's a HUGE difference.

BTW what big names refused to fight Calzaghe at Super-Middleweight ?

He fought them all bar Collins who was too old and Ottke who wouldn't fight anyone, especially after Reid.

[Kris Silver]

What's Joe's natural weight.

If that's at me with respect your avoiding pretty much every point made previously, leaving them un challenged.

Like a lot of boxers Joe's natural weight is a fair bit heavier than what he fights at, fancy that. He walks around from 180-185 or something often, varies though.

How much did Hatton often weigh?

[W1LL]

Counter, you're being pretty hypocritical here.

You criticise Americans for hyping one of their own against a foreign fighters, and then calling him a bum after he lost.

But you were one of those who gave Hatton a good chance against beating Mayweather. Then after he lost you made a thread called 'Ricky Hatton is a bum'.

And Hatton has a much better record than Lacy at the moment.

The thing about Lacy is that, on reflection, he wasn't that good. Fair enough, a lot of people didn't see that at the time, but now that they do, you can't blame them for pointing it out.

People's opinions change all the time. Ultimately we'll know how much credit the win over Lacy deserves after Lacy fights J Taylor.

The only predictions I made for the Hatton - Mayweather fight was for Floyd to win in 5 with a body shot, as can be seen here: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...33#post2910733. You should check to make sure that your statements are truthful in future.

[bsrizpac]

He could barely get down to SMW, let alone lose a few pounds and make MW. It's unlikely he'd be able to negotiate a catch weight of anything around 166 even as then there's no belts for the opponents to gain either. So it's not an attractive name and money fight for those guys and nor Joe. Just another spanner in the works that leaves other fights far more logical and workable for everyone.

Roy cites Calzaghe's people as the reason the fight didnt come off years ago, perhaps Warren. Personally I think there might be some truth in that but that it's not just wimpy warren, but a lame deal and stipulations making it unfair and unattractive. Roy flirted with SMW a bit but he didn't go and take on the top guy did he. Plus Roy and Nard on the whole pretty much skipped to LHW, bit wierd wouldn't you say.

Joe was best at SMW and had some likely unifications like Lacy and Kessler for once making all those years of defences more wortwhile, so it's understandable not chasing guys at a higher weight losing the belts fighting lame small money and name guys at LHW, just on the whim of possibly getting Roy. That's a ridiculous amount of hoops to jump through with nothing coming back or definitive.

So unlucky for Nard and Roy now he's unified and done with SMW their past prime and so is he, only not so much so he's getting the better odds now. Oh well. Calzaghe wanted to face Ottke and woulda faced any top SMW especially with a belt had the deal and stuff been right. The biggest real thing to emerge from SMW in some time is Kessler, and he beat him.

Roy fought Toney because he was the best at the time.

Roy talks about why he went to LHW and didn't stay at SMW.There were no names and therefore no money and recognition for Roy in the states at SMW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htnLvQRcvb0

6 minutes in.

[Clegg]

The only predictions I made for the Hatton - Mayweather fight was for Floyd to win in 5 with a body shot, as can be seen here: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...33#post2910733. You should check to make sure that your statements are truthful in future.

I said that you gave him a good chance. I guess the reason you wanted to bet points on him is because you were certain he'd lose?

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=147559

You bet points on someone winning
They lose
You call them a bum

And you see no similarity between this and the Lacy situation?

[Chunk..]

If that's at me with respect your avoiding pretty much every point made previously, leaving them un challenged.

Like a lot of boxers Joe's natural weight is a fair bit heavier than what he fights at, fancy that. He walks around something like 185 or something often, varies though.

How much did Hatton often weigh? Was he much good going a weight division higher, did he gain much from it?

It was a question i didn't know the answer to actually, so i asked the question.

As for Hatton, he went up a weight class, won a world title and lost to a P4P great and made a fortune. Him going to 147 wasn't a disaster that people made out! He's just better at 140.

As for Roy and Nard ''skipping the SMW'' division, well fighting at 168 is like signing on, there's no money at 168.

[Kris Silver]

Roy fought Toney because he was the best at the time.

Roy talks about why he went to LHW and didn't stay at SMW.There were no names and therefore no money and recognition for Roy in the states at SMW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htnLvQRcvb0

6 minutes in.

That's interesting bsriz, cheers. Not overly surprising though, allbeit a contradiction to his claims of being interested in Joe.

I exaggerated previously probably, when fully considered Roy seems to list a lot of guys he's made offers to or talked with, and it just seems to good to be true sometimes, with little proof. There's so much politics in the back ground of boxing though, it is what it is.

Personally I think beating Joe at SMW woulda been a big deal even though Joe wasn't the name he is now, then. He looked a slight fool facing someone else at SMW, just taking the belt and moving on to collect them. But hey ho, in the same way Joe's defences and unification made other fights trickier, so did moves like this from Roy and such.

[W1LL]

So me betting 2,000 on Ricky Hatton to someone elses 4,000 is me giving Hatton a good chance of winning, or me making a gamble? Also, look at the date on that post, and the date on the other one I linked to. That betting thread is about three weeks before the fight. You'll notice I saw sense as the fight got closer and correctly predicted the Floyd win. You cannot compare my views of Hatton before and after the Floyd fight to 95% of Americans views of Lacy before and after the Calzaghe fight. Sometimes I praised Hatton, other times I slated him. I never claimed for him to be something he was not. Lacy was probably the worst case of overhyping a fighter in the last 10 years.