RING Magazine: "Mayweather Doesn't Crack the Top 25 Greatest Ever"

[The Gambler1981]

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I have a fundemental disagreement, I feel what you do above a weightclass can apply to lower weights. Going up to fight bigger guys is generally considered harder path. If you beat bigger guys you should be able to defeat smaller ones

If your talking about a 140 atg list sure only 140 should be counted but when your looking at a whole career ATG list kind of thing you have to look at the whole picture. What you do in every fight has an impact. Did he dominate division above 130, no he did not but that does not change what he did in combination at the various weights.

I will reapeat he is in my top 30 and is the best fighter I have followed during my time, slightly ahead of Roy Jones.

[Clegg]

I have a fundemental disagreement, I feel what you do above a weightclass can apply to lower weights. Going up to fight bigger guys is generally considered harder path. If you beat bigger guys you should be able to defeat smaller ones

If your talking about a 140 atg list sure only 140 should be counted but when your looking at a whole career ATG list kind of thing you have to look at the whole picture. What you do in every fight has an impact. Did he dominate division above 130, no he did not but that does not change what he did in combination at the various weights.

I will reapeat he is in my top 30 and is the best fighter I have followed during my time, slightly ahead of Roy Jones.

Well if we're discussing Mayweather's achievements then by all means Hatton should be mentioned, it was a very good win.

I don't think that our opinions are that far apart on the issue, maybe it just seemed that way because of the comments that I was replying to.

I would put Jones ahead of Mayweather, but the gap isn't that big.

[The Gambler1981]

Well if we're discussing Mayweather's achievements then by all means Hatton should be mentioned, it was a very good win.

I don't think that our opinions are that far apart on the issue, maybe it just seemed that way because of the comments that I was replying to.

I would put Jones ahead of Mayweather, but the gap isn't that big.

Yea, I agree. I have no problem with anyone that has Jones over Floyd because i think they are close. Thanks for the clarification.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Then why should Antonio Margarito fight him two years after Floyd?

I don't know, I'm not calling for that fight. You might want to ask someone who want that. I want the Williams rematch.

[Vasyl’s dad]

You still have a problem with reading comprehension? Go get some english as a second language books or something because a real english book would be to hard for you to understand.

You talk about jumping up in division like it is a bad thing? Going up in weight classes in generally considered to be a harder path then sitting in one division having guys come up in weight to fight you. You are using you own bull**** logic because where did i say anything about DLH?

When it comes to division jumping Oscar is alright but he did not dominate guys as he went up in weight and he did not do **** really in the lighter weights. Winning titles in multiple division is impressive but thats not why I feel Floyd is great. It is part of the reason but, for me what he did above the lower weights of his career help to solidify his lower weight accomplishments.

What great fighters has Floyd dominated above 140? Mitchell? Corley? Brusseles?




What Oscar did above his lower weights is more impressive than Floyd. The caliber of opponents was much better. He won more titles. But of course, since that goes against what you initially said, you have to say its just "alright". But when Floyd does it, its the greatest accomplishment ever.




6>>>>5
Gold>>>Bronze
Making your name on your own accord>>>>using DLH to get famous

[Silencers]

I think The Ring is right.

[JoartCC]

We can almost certainly agree that Mayweather doesn't belong in the top 10, hallowed ground reserved for names like Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Louis, Pep, Greb, ect. And the opinion here is that for all his remarkable talent, his body of work isn't enough to crack the top 25 either. Looking at that 19-42 range, the upper end just doesn't seem right given the talent pools of the past.

So our final declaration is this: if Mayweather never fights again, he ranks somewhere in the second 25 in boxing history, pound-for-pound, taking into account both his ability and his accomplishment. "Pretty Boy" and his devoted fans may not want be happy to hear it, and the Floyd haters probably won't like it either, but that's where he belongs.

Eric Raskin, The Ring Magazine, October 2008

HOF status yes... give gayweather his scraps.

Still can't believe how some dudes can admire a coward who retired in his prime and blatantly ducked top opposition.

[The Gambler1981]

What great fighters has Floyd dominated above 140? Mitchell? Corley? Brusseles?




What Oscar did above his lower weights is more impressive than Floyd. The caliber of opponents was much better. He won more titles. But of course, since that goes against what you initially said, you have to say its just "alright". But when Floyd does it, its the greatest accomplishment ever.




6>>>>5
Gold>>>Bronze
Making your name on your own accord>>>>using DLH to get famous

What does this mean? I told you not to reply with meaningless bull****. Learn to read better and maybe you would understand my point.


What part of i think he is great for more reasons then winning titles in multiple divisions, do you not understand? The starting point for his greatness is being one of the greatest super feather weights of all time. From there he displayed great skill and ability dominating pretty much all his opponents over the weight.

[S.G.]

he's definitely top 20 all time

people just have rose tinted glasses when they look back at fighters of old

and the universal dislike of Floyd is still strong as he's still around and in the public eye which affects people's judgement of his boxing talent

[JoartCC]

What great fighters has Floyd dominated above 140? Mitchell? Corley? Brusseles?




What Oscar did above his lower weights is more impressive than Floyd. The caliber of opponents was much better. He won more titles. But of course, since that goes against what you initially said, you have to say its just "alright". But when Floyd does it, its the greatest accomplishment ever.




6>>>>5
Gold>>>Bronze
Making your name on your own accord>>>>using DLH to get famous

Exactly.

The ring is losing even more credibility with articles like this.

In less that 10 years more, the Ring Magazine with the way they conduct themselves, will be a mere sideshow.