RING Magazine: "Mayweather Doesn't Crack the Top 25 Greatest Ever"

[Brandish]

Unifying the belts would be a good start, facing the top challenger, something along those lines. Hopkins, Calzaghe and Jones all did those things, but Floyd did not.

130--genaro hernandez--ring champion
135--jose luis castillo--ring champion
140--ricky hatton-ring champion
147-Carlos baldomir,--ring champion
154-Oscar De La Hoya--ranked #1 by ring at 154


if these ring champions were not "top challengers" then you're just stuck on ******

[El Dominicano]

whats ****** about blaming de la hoya is that there is no reason to downplay his opponent by any means, the higher ranked floyd is, the less sting he receives for the loss. its easy to love the ring when they are being positive about floyd, but the moment they say anything crticial its "OH WELL OSCAR OWNS IT" most of you dont even read the ring, therefore you would assume that this is something new on their end, its not, they have their opinions.

Thing is...really doesn't bother me where you rank him in the top 50, as long as hes in it. I always try and watch fights from fighters in the top 50 and some that rank higher aren't always better then guys that rank lower. Like for example u see Duran he is rank very high but I feel Pernell would have been able to beat him.

[nozorok]

So, he conquered, 1 division, and then what?




You don't get accolades for woulda and coulda.

Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda, DIDN'T

The entire story of Floyd Mayweather Jr's career and legacy in one line.

[Vasyl’s dad]

130--genaro hernandez--ring champion
135--jose luis castillo--ring champion
140--ricky hatton-ring champion
147-Carlos baldomir,--ring champion
154-Oscar De La Hoya--ranked #1 by ring at 154


if these ring champions were not "top challengers" then you're just stuck on ******

Floyd did not fight Hatton at 140.
Carlos Baldomir is probably the worst champion in the divisions history.
DLH has been aged and hasn't been a dominant fighter since the 90s.

However, there was an entire division full of talent willing to fight.

Retiring says alot about his confidence in his abilities.

He doesn't share the same enthusiasm as his stans do.


But if you're saying his 5 division titles give him the right to be part of the top 25 ever,


where would you rank 6 division champion Oscar De La Hoya?

[HAVISJ]

Floyd did not fight Hatton at 140.
Carlos Baldomir is probably the worst champion in the divisions history.
DLH has been aged and hasn't been a dominant fighter since the 90s.

However, there was an entire division full of talent willing to fight.

Retiring says alot about his confidence in his abilities.

He doesn't share the same enthusiasm as his stans do.

.
But if you're saying his 5 division titles give him the right to be part of the top 25 ever,


where would you rank 6 division champion Oscar De La Hoya?

He retiring from boxing only means he was finished with the sport..nothing more, nothing less. We all Mayweather is as confident as they come.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

DLH has been aged and hasn't been a dominant fighter since the 90s.

Then why should Antonio Margarito fight him two years after Floyd?

[Clegg]

It's not a big deal or anything, but let's just make clear before I start that you are the one who picked the criteria of The Ring belt. It was up to you what to pick, and that was your choice, so I'll go with that. Please don't come back and say "well The Ring doesn't matter anyway", OK?

130--genaro hernandez--ring champion

I think we're pretty much in agreement on 130, so let's leave this.

135--jose luis castillo--ring champion

Well first of all, someone isn't a top challenger if they're the champion and you're challenging them.

Mayweather won the title from Castillo. It was a debated decision, and so he gave him a rematch. So far so good. Then what did he do? He defended against Sosa and N'Dou. Top challengers? Not quite. Let's check out The Ring annual ratings, published in May 2003:

1. Jose Luis Castillo
2. Stevie Johnston
3. Paul Spadafora
4. Leonard Dorin
5. Juan Lazcano
6. Angel Manfredy
7. Artur Grigorian
8. Raul Horacio Balbi
9. Alejandro Gonzalez
10. Julien Lorcy

Do you see N'Dou on that list? How about Sosa?

140--ricky hatton-ring champion

When Mayweather was at 140, The Ring Champion was Tszyu. Mayweather didn't face him. You can't count what he did at 147 in his 140 achievements.

147-Carlos baldomir,--ring champion

Again, Baldomir is the champion, so that doesn't count as facing a top challenger. Let's have a look at who the top challenger was after Mayweather won the belt.

The Ring annual rankings, published April 2007:

Floyd Mayweather Jr., Champion

1. Antonio Margarito
2. Carlos Manuel Baldomir
3. Miguel Angel Cotto
4. Zab Judah
5. Luis Collazo
6. Kermit Cintron
7. Oktay Urkal
8. Arturo Gatti
9. Paul Williams
10. Joshua Clottey

What does that name say at the top of the list? I can't quite read it from here...can you help me out Brandish?

154-Oscar De La Hoya--ranked #1 by ring at 154

Yeah, one fight=clearing out a division. Uh huh.

if these ring champions were not "top challengers" then you're just stuck on ******

Actually none of those people were challengers, they were all champions, ******. But nevermind, I answered you anyway.

[Patrick Bateman]

It's not a big deal or anything, but let's just make clear before I start that you are the one who picked the criteria of The Ring belt. It was up to you what to pick, and that was your choice, so I'll go with that. Please don't come back and say "well The Ring doesn't matter anyway", OK?



I think we're pretty much in agreement on 130, so let's leave this.



Well first of all, someone isn't a top challenger if they're the champion and you're challenging them.

Mayweather won the title from Castillo. It was a debated decision, and so he gave him a rematch. So far so good. Then what did he do? He defended against Sosa and N'Dou. Top challengers? Not quite. Let's check out The Ring annual ratings, published in May 2003:

1. Jose Luis Castillo
2. Stevie Johnston
3. Paul Spadafora
4. Leonard Dorin
5. Juan Lazcano
6. Angel Manfredy
7. Artur Grigorian
8. Raul Horacio Balbi
9. Alejandro Gonzalez
10. Julien Lorcy

Do you see N'Dou on that list? How about Sosa?



When Mayweather was at 140, The Ring Champion was Tszyu. Mayweather didn't face him. You can't count what he did at 147 in his 140 achievements.



Again, Baldomir is the champion, so that doesn't count as facing a top challenger. Let's have a look at who the top challenger was after Mayweather won the belt.

The Ring annual rankings, published April 2007:

Floyd Mayweather Jr., Champion

1. Antonio Margarito
2. Carlos Manuel Baldomir
3. Miguel Angel Cotto
4. Zab Judah
5. Luis Collazo
6. Kermit Cintron
7. Oktay Urkal
8. Arturo Gatti
9. Paul Williams
10. Joshua Clottey

What does that name say at the top of the list? I can't quite read it from here...can you help me out Brandish?



Yeah, one fight=clearing out a division. Uh huh.



Actually none of those people were challengers, they were all champions, ******. But nevermind, I answered you anyway.

This pretty much ends the thread. Should I expect some Floyd fanatic to either ignore this post or try to spin it like some Fox news report?

[Dan...]

I may be a little biased as a Floyd fan but personally I think Floyd is a top 25 p4p ATG. He is definately, IMO, either 1 or 2 at super feather. I think Arguello would have been the only guy who I have seen who could touch Floyd at that weight and even then if I had to go one way or the other it would be Floyd.

I don't think Mayweather's resume gets the credit it deserves. You can spin it any way you like by saying that he never fought the best at 140 and 147 but he still fought some damn good fighters and beat several of them impressively. I understand the arguments against it but personally he is top 25 for mine.

[The Gambler1981]

You laid out that he was a division jumper and not much else.


I just proved there was someone who jumped more divisions and won more titles in those divisions.

Based on your logic,

DLH>>>>Mayweather.

You still have a problem with reading comprehension? Go get some english as a second language books or something because a real english book would be to hard for you to understand.

You talk about jumping up in division like it is a bad thing? Going up in weight classes in generally considered to be a harder path then sitting in one division having guys come up in weight to fight you. You are using you own bull**** logic because where did i say anything about DLH?

When it comes to division jumping Oscar is alright but he did not dominate guys as he went up in weight and he did not do **** really in the lighter weights. Winning titles in multiple division is impressive but thats not why I feel Floyd is great. It is part of the reason but, for me what he did above the lower weights of his career help to solidify his lower weight accomplishments.

You do not need to respond because you do not understand my point of view at all and you will only say some meaningless bull****. You are full of **** because you do not judge every fighter by the same standard, if you hold up every fighter to that standard no one will stack up.