RING Magazine: "Mayweather Doesn't Crack the Top 25 Greatest Ever"

[HAVISJ]

Because he reached his prime fighting at WW. His wins at 135-140 were when he was getting recognition, but was still on the come up. Do you really think he peaked at beating Oscar De La Hoya? There's nobody out there that he can have a hell of a fight with?

I agree with what you're saying and to honest I dont think fighting Margarito or Cotto would have done anything more for his legacy. If he would hav efought and beat these guys then there still would be stories of how he avoided another fighter.

[HAVISJ]

i would have to look at that and see who everyone has fought. but thats besides the point anyways because even if he has fought more quality opponents than the other welters in their primes right now it doesnt matter because they are in discussion of being top 50 ATG. he should have a better resume than them, im comparing him resume to the greats of all time not to the top welters right now.

Ok, my bad playa

[Patrick Bateman]

I agree with what you're saying and to honest I dont think fighting Margarito or Cotto would have done anything more for his legacy. If he would hav efought and beat these guys then there still would be stories of how he avoided another fighter.

Fighting Margarito or Cotto would have done a hell of a lot more for his legacy than fighting Brussells and Mitchell. How can fighting the division's top threats, the fighters the MEDIA and the FANS want you to fight now enhance your legacy?

Is it really like this on this site? Are these Floyd fans really this delusional and bias? This is shocking.

[The Slickster]

I am going to be as objective as I can.
First of all many of you hate Floyd Mayweather Jr. and I find your hatred irrational.
You can critisize Floyd for many things but that criticism has become irrational in my opinion.
Yes you can say that Floyd hasnt fought legendary fighters like SRL did when he fought Hagler and Hearns and Duran but thats not his fault because there arent that many guys out there in that class now.
The most legendary guy Floyd ever fought was Oscar....thats it.
What if floyd had fought Shane and Kosta and Oscar and beaten them all what would you think then?
He did beat Oscar but not impressively and many people felt Oscar won the fight.
So the quality of his opposition IS a valid criticism.
But......all the other stuff is pure BS in my opinion.
Floyd Mayweather Jr is the most skilled fighter the world has ever seen.
I watch his videos and Im amazed at his defensive skills,movement ,speed,punching accuracy.boxing I.Q,inside boxing skills,ect....
Mayweather is a tough S.O.B.
He has been a boxing champion(belt holder) for over ten years straight!
This article to me is kind of a insult to Mayweather.

[HAVISJ]

Fighting Margarito or Cotto would have done a hell of a lot more for his legacy than fighting Brussells and Mitchell. How can fighting the division's top threats, the fighters the MEDIA and the FANS want you to fight now enhance your legacy?

Is it really like this on this site? Are these Floyd fans really this delusional and bias? This is shocking.

He was getting into the dvision when he fought Mitchell. Wasnt Brussels mandatory? First off hater, I'm a fan of the sport not just of Mayweather. I would defend Cotto, Margarito or any other boxer if they were in his shoes. **** is crazy how you guys bash him when he is by far the best of this generation.

[The Gambler1981]

Fighting Margarito or Cotto would have done a hell of a lot more for his legacy than fighting Brussells and Mitchell. How can fighting the division's top threats, the fighters the MEDIA and the FANS want you to fight now enhance your legacy?

Is it really like this on this site? Are these Floyd fans really this delusional and bias? This is shocking.

Floyd's whole boxing life was not at welter scooter. I can go through any fighter through history and name drop 2 random dudes that were meaningless fight. Why did Margarito fight Golden Johnson and Manny Gomez, why did Cotto fight Urkal and Gomez, why did Joe Louis fight the bum of the month club I can go on if you wish.

Floyd was not always a bigtime star at 130 or 135 it did not seem like to many people were in a rush to fight him **** even at 140 he had to become (which is why he fought Bruselas) Gatti's mandetory for that fight to happean.

It is cool that someone is new to the sport though, welcome aboard

[Patrick Bateman]

He was getting into the dvision when he fought Mitchell. Wasnt Brussels mandatory? First off hater, I'm a fan of the sport not just of Mayweather. I would defend Cotto, Margarito or any other boxer if they were in his shoes. **** is crazy how you guys bash him when he is by far the best of this generation.

This is the issue here. You "fans" want to give him credit on ABILITY and TALENT alone, but it doesn't work that way. You "fans" are living in Mayweather's past citing his achievements below Welterweight and forcing his "accomplishments" after Welterweight, but again, it doesn't work that way. You can say Earl "The Goat" Manigault was the best baller of all time, but the dude didn't follow through and prove it by playing in the league. Floyd took it easy after moving up to weltwerweight and thats where the criticism is coming from. People aren't going to give him a pass just because he "probably could have beat" all of the weltwerweights.

[The Gambler1981]

This is the issue here. You "fans" want to give him credit on ABILITY and TALENT alone, but it doesn't work that way. You "fans" are living in Mayweather's past citing his achievements below Welterweight and forcing his "accomplishments" after Welterweight, but again, it doesn't work that way. You can say Earl "The Goat" Manigault was the best baller of all time, but the dude didn't follow through and prove it by playing in the league. Floyd took it easy after moving up to weltwerweight and thats where the criticism is coming from. People aren't going to give him a pass just because he "probably could have beat" all of the weltwerweights.

You seem to judge Floyd's whole career off what he did at 147 when in fact that is only a very small portion of why is he great. You speak in absolutes like your opinion on Floyd's career is the be all and end all, yet you only talk about him at 147 which shows how little you know of him. This is about his whole career not 147.

[RL_GMA]

Fighting Margarito or Cotto would have done a hell of a lot more for his legacy than fighting Brussells and Mitchell. How can fighting the division's top threats, the fighters the MEDIA and the FANS want you to fight now enhance your legacy?

Is it really like this on this site? Are these Floyd fans really this delusional and bias? This is shocking.

LOL I like this guy...

BTW, did you get those new business cards?

[PRboxingfan]

We can almost certainly agree that Mayweather doesn't belong in the top 10, hallowed ground reserved for names like Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Louis, Pep, Greb, ect. And the opinion here is that for all his remarkable talent, his body of work isn't enough to crack the top 25 either. Looking at that 19-42 range, the upper end just doesn't seem right given the talent pools of the past.

So our final declaration is this: if Mayweather never fights again, he ranks somewhere in the second 25 in boxing history, pound-for-pound, taking into account both his ability and his accomplishment. "Pretty Boy" and his devoted fans may not want be happy to hear it, and the Floyd haters probably won't like it either, but that's where he belongs.

Eric Raskin, The Ring Magazine, October 2008

This coming from a magazine owned by Oscar De La Hoya, who is trying to get Floyd to come out of retirement and face him again?

Yeah, very credible.

Not that I think Floyd is top 10 ATG or anything, but I do believe he's top 25.