Calzaghe: "Kessler is Better Than Pavlik, and I Beat Him"

[SlimTim]

Kessler is a bum who ducks punchers. Give Pavlik a lot of credit for facing avoided, super tough fighters like Felencio Zuniga and Edison Miranda.(at the time) Joe lost convincingly to Hopkins and Pavlik knocks him out. If you think Calzaghe beats Pavlik, then in the words of Teddy, "You're lying to yourself!"

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I'll give Joe some credit, he's strategically thought about his fight selection in ending his career and it doesn't involve taking a calculated risk against what would be his toughest test in Kelly Pavlik. Fighting old pros pass their prime and barely beating them doesn't do anything in my book to solidify his legacy. I never heard Joe calling out Roy (at age 32) when he was the undisputed LH champion and Joe (26) was the undisputed Super M champion. Now he'll conveniently takes the fight when Roy is slow enough to be hit, and old enough to wear out in the late rounds. Joe is a good fighter, but he's an even better matchmaker in selectively finding excuses not to fight the best, when they are at their best. Hopkins, Jones, and of course Pavlik all beat Calzaghe if their matchups occur while all in their prime. Jones and Pavlik would win by TKO! That being said, I appaud Joes for taking the path of least resistance while still earning a decent paycheck

You're either deaf or werent listening hard enough.

[Flawless.]

You dont need to know anything about the sport to see Calzaghe is a leagues above Jermain "Accident Waiting to Happen" Taylor

How is Calzaghe a league above him??? He did beat Hopkins twice Calzaghe hardest fight and lets say he beats Kessler what that make him.

[edgarg]

You are wrong about Kessler. I don't think you're thinking straight. Just consider this. He didn't "step up". He was a recognised Champion when he fought Calzaghe. Didn't he hold 2 World titles including the WBA and, I think, the WBC. So he was the pre-eminent title holder right up to the time of the Calzaghe fight.

So he HAD to be good, he WAS good, he IS good. And nobody should know this better than Calzaghe, who beat him, and besides, is a recognised expert on boxing. I'd rather trust Calzaghe's word that that of anyone on this board, that's for CERTAIN.

Logic ALWAYS beats wild assertions with no foundation under them except personal prejudice.

Sorry DIG- I meant this for Melly Mel, my computer has an uncomfortable habit of sometimes jumping, and landing me in the "soup".

[Dirk Diggler UK]

You are wrong about Kessler. I don't think you're thinking straight. Just consider this. He didn't "step up". He was a recognised Champion when he fought Calzaghe. Didn't he hold 2 World titles including the WBA and, I think, the WBC. So he was the pre-eminent title holder right up to the time of the Calzaghe fight.

So he HAD to be good, he WAS good, he IS good. And nobody should know this better than Calzaghe, who beat him, and besides, is a recognised expert on boxing. I'd rather trust Calzaghe's word that that of anyone on this board, that's for CERTAIN.

Logic ALWAYS beats wild assertions with no foundation under them except personal prejudice.

What you on about? I agree with you.

Someone made the assertion that Pavlik was better than Kessler because he beat the linear champ at 160 and Kessler lost to Calzaghe.

My point is that Taylor is no Calzaghe.........not by quite a long shot.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Sorry DIG- I meant this for Melly Mel, my computer has an uncomfortable habit of sometimes jumping, and landing me in the "soup".

No worries. I was wondering for a sec....

[Dirk Diggler UK]

How is Calzaghe a league above him??? He did beat Hopkins twice Calzaghe hardest fight and lets say he beats Kessler what that make him.

He didnt beat Hopkins twice in the opinion of the majority. Taylor vs Hopkins was far more controversial than Joe vs Hopkins.

Lets say he beats Kessler? Lets say he gets knocked out.......

[Moodious]

He didnt beat Hopkins twice in the opinion of the majority. Taylor vs Hopkins was far more controversial than Joe vs Hopkins.
Lets say he beats Kessler? Lets say he gets knocked out.......

Uh, not really.

[MANGLER]

Um, styles make fights Joe C.

[edgarg]

hopkins face has not been bashed into the most suitable shape over the years hes just ugly.he barely gets hit unlike your boy joe who takes everything straight on the chin with pride.

DAG for goodness sake, look at the guy's nose, it's mashed into about 3-4 different diredctions. I don't think he's ugly at all. I'm not criticising, BUT, being the major protuberance on a face, the nose is the most inclined to be knocked out of shape, as indeed would any jutting mass. Besides, the septum is just a piece of not very strong cartilage, fused onto the nasal bone, and is often broken by just about anything. A few kids I knew, growing up, had their noses broken so often, in sports and fooling around, that they had the septums taken out, PERMANENTLY, and could just press their noses flat against their faces.

It's primary use is to allow for a "tenting" of the nostrils so that the human mammal can breathe trough it.