Calzaghe: "Kessler is Better Than Pavlik, and I Beat Him"

[them_apples]

Well I judge how good someone is by looking at their performances, not just looking at boxrec, so this allows me to form opinions based upon things such as ability.

As for their records, let's take the example of the guy in your avatar, Rid**** Bowe. He beat a prime Holyfield twice. Most people consider Evander to be a top 10/15 heavyweight.

Rid**** Bowe:
*Beat an ATG prime heavyweight twice. No other boxer has ever done that
*Only defeat is to an ATG
*Held the WBA, IBF, WBC (and afterwards) WBO titles. Lewis only held 3 of those.

Joe Louis
*No wins over top 10/15 heavyweights
*Was KO'd by a past-prime Schmelling (Bowe lost a close decision to prime Holyfield)
*Won the title from someone with 27 defeats
*Lost the title to a blown up light heavyweight

So therefore, Joe Louis has not shown himself to be as good as Rid**** Bowe, has he?


Anyway, if you want to see my responses that you ignored, check back on almost any Calzaghe thread that we've both posted in. Here's a post of yours from another thread that I'll respond to here so that you won't miss it. This is regarding a Calzaghe-Pavlik match-up:



The problem with this comparison is that Cotto was winning rounds and was landing the better shots, but he got tired. Because of this, he slowed down, he got hit more, and he got beaten. Calzaghe has never slowed down. He went toe-to-toe with Kessler in the 12th, almost KO'd Lacy in the 12th, and was still full of energy at the end of the Hopkins fight.



Perhaps, but no one has said it, so let's move on.








No...it is. I mean, you're denying something that's right in front of your face here. Furthermore, speed isn't just how fast your hands move. Calzaghe has much better footspeed as well and superior movement.



You haven't read your Calzaghe-haters handbook. The official line is that all of Calzaghe's punches are wide and looping, not short.

so you ended up answering my questions instead? I Disagree with your Cotto statement, he only started getting gassed because Margerito was hitting him so hard, I can't believe I'm the only one who thought Cotto was getting hurt even early in the fight. Maybe it was the HBO commentators..

Not all of Calzaghe's shots are wide and looping, I've seen him throw those 10 inch punches in an attempt to look flashy.

about Rid**** Bowe, Bowe would have beat Joe Louis. I won't go as far as to say Louis was a bum, but he is extremely overrated, like you said..he's got no credible wins. A fighter like Max Baer would be lucky if he could **** with todays light heavies. A fighter should be based on skill, not quantity, yes Louis has 25 title defenses, but it's against nobodies.

Is Bowe a great? Probably not, he didn't do enough aside from that one big win.

[Clegg]

Not just that but anyone would have gone down from all those hooks Taylor landed on Pavlik. Taylor caught him GOOD and not just once it was like 5 straight hooks...if I remember correctly

Probably, but Taylor wouldn't have been able to land those punches on most top MWs.

[WESS]

Probably, but Taylor wouldn't have been able to land those punches on most top MWs.

Yup that is true, but I still consider "IF" he did they would hurt! lol

[DanMan_UK]

i know kesslers name and thats it, i know he lost badly to joe calslappy, who has this kessler beat, nobody, and who ever says pavlic has a glass chin is ******ed has pavlic been koed nope or really been that seriosly hurt, i think the most i ever seen pavlic hurt was the 1st fight with taylor and he came back to ko taylor, that shows a champions heart

Ur Blatantly an American. Not even knowing the name of the WBC and WBA world Champion who was one of the best in the division.

If he was an american evry1 wud know him from about 10 years ago...