Roy Jones Talks Calzaghe, Jermain Taylor vs. Carl Froch?

[Chase8400]

Compu-box also said that Calzaghe landed double the punches Hopkins did and outlanded him in every round but I dont suppose you'd believe that

Like I said, I counted out that fight too. Compu-box was pretty close. From what I remember, Joe landed slightly less than compu-box counted. However, I only counted clear connects. Not grazing ones or punches that were half hearted taps that did no damage. Joe landed a whole lot more on Hopkins, thats why I scored it a DRAW based on the KD. Hopkins landed the harder, more telling shots though.

[IMDAZED]

My point is that the judges ringside are the opinions that MATTER. They do this for a living and are very experienced. This was no robbery, rather a fight that was close and the man who won was recognized (2) times.

Ohh...I coulda sworn your point was what you said before: Most people thought Taylor won. Thanks for clarifying.

>I am making a point that judges are persuaded by business, but in this case Taylor was alot busier but in fact landed 10 less shots in the first fight. Right? That does not mean that a fighter should win if they have to be forced into engagement every exchange and happen to land more shots.
In fight 2 Taylor was outlanded by only 6 punches, but again pushed the fight. That means something, believe it or not.

So Taylor threw more - a lot more - yet landed less. But he deserves the win. I guess activity and INeffective aggression count more than clean punching and ring generalship. Got it.

>They have never been exactly right, but always very close. Usually within 10-25 punches. I don't remember exact totals off the top of my head, but I assure you that I have been doing this for a while because I too used to doubt the authenticity of compu-box. Also, there is no way to acually determine if they are correct or not without counting yourself. What will you do? Ask a competitor to count too? And, who would be able to tell if they were right? See where I am going with that? Okay then, that's why I count punches myself and I always trust MYSELF over YOU, the judges and the compu-box personel.

Right. We here believe that you think compubox is accurate because every fight, you count along with them. Sure.

>Exactly my point. I am glad you are able to admit that as I am. Also, there is no Doubt in MY mind that Hatton won 5 of the first 7 rounds against Floyd too.

Which just goes to show you that I'm right. You score missed punches...especially when they miss a lot of them.

[Chase8400]

Ohh...I coulda sworn your point was what you said before: Most people thought Taylor won. Thanks for clarifying.



So Taylor threw more - a lot more - yet landed less. But he deserves the win. I guess activity and INeffective aggression count more than clean punching and ring generalship. Got it.


Right. We here believe that you think compubox is accurate because every fight, you count along with them. Sure.



Which just goes to show you that I'm right. You score missed punches...especially when they miss a lot of them.

>For you, I should have clarified this : More people who know their **** think Taylor won. Point Proven to all but you.

>He carried the fight and landed the harder punches, almost knocking down Hopkins on a few occasions while being busier. He won and I do not have to argue that FACT with you. Point proven to all but you.

>I did'nt say I counted punches in every fight. I said in the ones that mean something to me. I see all of the fights that are aired , period. Whether it be PPV, ESPN, HBO, Showtime, Versus and sometimes even Telemundo. I only count on the fights that have my fav's in them. There you are again putting words in my mouth. Point proven to all but you. Again.

>Read my post again, I said "I DO NOT" score punches that don't land. Get it right to understand me on this level. I'm starting to doubt your credintials and may not respond to you anymore. Keep it correct. I always do and have no reason to lie. I don't get kicks arguing with you on the Internet. I just speak my mind. Like you.

[Chase8400]

Like I said, I counted out that fight too. Compu-box was pretty close. From what I remember, Joe landed slightly less than compu-box counted. However, I only counted clear connects. Not grazing ones or punches that were half hearted taps that did no damage. Joe landed a whole lot more on Hopkins, thats why I scored it a DRAW based on the KD. Hopkins landed the harder, more telling shots though.

See what I mean , "IMDAZED"?

[IMDAZED]

See what I mean , "IMDAZED"?

Anybody who thinks Hatton won five of the first seven against Mayweather, and then says Taylor shoulda won because he threw more and landed less well...well, I fear for the sport and your children who'll grow up thinking boxing is about who can get the most blocked/missed punches in.

[Baby Monkey]

I have to chuckle at the dedication afforded to the Taylor v Hopkins fight and more importantly, Taylor himself. When in reality, his fight with Froch is his last in the upper tier of the sport.

Froch holds every single advantage over Taylor. Having medalled at the World amateur finals, extensive amateur career, height, power, awkward style, power, chin, chin, power and chin... did i mention power ?

Jermain, as game as he is has pushed around by Ouma, Spinks, and Winky Wright - the majority of them could fight at Welter if they wanted to.

There is a very real reason as to why Calzaghe didn't make the fight with Froch over the last 4 years, preferring Evans Ashira and Mario Veit (again) when all he had to do was accept Froch's mantle.

I expect a great fight from Taylor, but by the halfway point it will unravel for him as Froch walks through his best shots and takes him out either with a body assault or uppercut.

[Johnny Rebel]

Jermain Taylor was the undefeated middleweight champion before Pavlik came around.The same irrational logic could be said about Jones not deserving a shot at Calzaghe!

Roy Jones was the undefeated LHW Champion. He's also unbeaten in three years at LHW and ranked highly there.

[slick23]

Are you Frochin serous?

Carl Froch is the biggest fraud in Boxing. Extremely slow and predictable. I expect Taylor to do away with this latest version of mediocrity that has been forced upon us rather quickly.

[abadger]

I have to chuckle at the dedication afforded to the Taylor v Hopkins fight and more importantly, Taylor himself. When in reality, his fight with Froch is his last in the upper tier of the sport.

Froch holds every single advantage over Taylor. Having medalled at the World amateur finals, extensive amateur career, height, power, awkward style, power, chin, chin, power and chin... did i mention power ?

Jermain, as game as he is has pushed around by Ouma, Spinks, and Winky Wright - the majority of them could fight at Welter if they wanted to.

There is a very real reason as to why Calzaghe didn't make the fight with Froch over the last 4 years, preferring Evans Ashira and Mario Veit (again) when all he had to do was accept Froch's mantle.

I expect a great fight from Taylor, but by the halfway point it will unravel for him as Froch walks through his best shots and takes him out either with a body assault or uppercut.

Its certainly possible Froch would beat Taylor, because he appears to me to have everything Kelly Pavlik has, and maybe even a bit more, however I couldn't share the confidence of your opinion because the fact is that we've never sen Froch in with a real top class guy (not that I think Taylor is the tippermost toppermost, but you see what I mean), and until we do we can't know what he will do. I'd say at this point picking Froch to beat Taylor is based on assuming that he really does have everything he appears to have when fighting lesser opponents, and also that he doesn't have any weaknesses we haven't seen. Ther's nothing wrong with that of course, it's perfectly possible, but I personally am going to withold my judgement until after I see the fight.

[abadger]

Carl Froch is the biggest fraud in Boxing. Extremely slow and predictable. I expect Taylor to do away with this latest version of mediocrity that has been forced upon us rather quickly.

What do you think of Kelly Pavlik?