Roy Jones Talks Calzaghe, Jermain Taylor vs. Carl Froch?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Once you enter the ring with The Ghost you leave it as a ghostRIP MirandaTaylorsoon to be Abraham

Makes you wonder how Taylor was able to improve significantly in the 2nd fight with quite a few people having him winning.....

[hunter010]

carl froch is a big BUM

[abadger]

If anyone beats Pavlik at this point? There would be a serious consideration for Abraham in the p4p list, but Froch has only stiffs on his resume'. Pavlik fought some live opposition before stepping in the ring with Miranda and then Taylor. Remember too that Abraham basically lost the first Miranda fight barring all the point deductions. Pavlik was the first one to really look explosive against him and soften him up for that AA rematch. The rest is history. Kessler is a good fighter, but does not have that great of a resume' either. He lost his biggest fight and has only fought B-classers besides that. Mundine in my opinion is a titleholder on borrowed time. Andrade is a neanderthal, and Beyer is nothing anymore. Besides that, there is nothing to talk about. Pavlik got his status by soundly beating Taylor, who beat the man Hopkins. At the time, Taylor was in the p4p list. To the comment about being slow: There is no way he would be able to compete with Taylor or Miranda if he was slow. Manny Steward said that he was even suprised a how fast he was after seeing him in person. (Taylor-Pavlik I)

So basically every opponent a European fighter faces is a waste of time, no matter what their record or what belts they have held, whereas every opponent an American fighter faces is 'live' no matter how questionable their record. If a European beats an American that American must have been 'softened up' first, but if an American beats them same opponent it is a good win.

This issue about 'Miranda beat Abraham first time out' is also nonsense, it completely fails to recognise the fact that Abraham had a badly broken jaw and therefore could not fight to his true potential. Look at what happened in the rematch! Now, you could argue that the fight should have been stopped and Miranda awarded a TKO and I might agree with you, but it wasn't, and Miranda still couldn't get Abraham out of there.

In general you are a good poster because you're always prepared to outline a coherent argument, but really you are one of the most US biased guys here. Your opinions aren't ridiculous or anything but you always subject European guys to the most rigorous criticism whilst simultaneoulsy looking favourably on US fighters and giving them a pass for their every failing.

[slick23]

What do you think of Kelly Pavlik?

Pavlik is a strong solid fighter. I don't think his style is anything spectacular, I just think he does everything above average, and is tough as nails. I think his skills are better than Frochs, espescially his defense. If Froch leaves himself open as much as he did in his last fight on H.B.O. against a fill-in, I think he is going to have an extremely difficult time with the upper echelon of his division. Let me say this, he does have one punch power, no doubt about that, but I think he lacks in speed. Pavlik has rather descent speed, but the difference is he is constantly coming foward not something Froch always does. Froch is simply not going to outbox everybody, especially Taylor, who is light years ahead of Froch in terms of speed and combination punching ability.Pavlik breaks people down, Froch on the otherhand looks to land that big punch, I don't see these guys being that similar if that's what you are insinuating.

[abadger]

Pavlik is a strong solid fighter. I don't think his style is anything spectacular, I just think he does everything above average, and is tough as nails. I think his skills are better than Frochs, espescially his defense. If Froch leaves himself open as much as he did in his last fight on H.B.O. against a fill-in, I think he is going to have an extremely difficult time with the upper echelon of his division. Let me say this, he does have one punch power, no doubt about that, but I think he lacks in speed. Pavlik has rather descent speed, but the difference is he is constantly coming foward not something Froch always does. Froch is simply not going to outbox everybody, especially Taylor, who is light years ahead of Froch in terms of speed and combination punching ability.Pavlik breaks people down, Froch on the otherhand looks to land that big punch, I don't see these guys being that similar if that's what you are insinuating.

They are pretty similar, both quite slow but with lots of power. Pavlik has the edge in technical correctness, whereas Froch has the edge in boxing ability. Froch of course has yet to be tested at the highest level, but I see no reason to think that Froch has no chance against Taylor outside of that, since the power of Pavlik was able to take him out.

As for the speed and combination punching of Taylor, he is alright, but nothing special in these areas, this isn't a guy who comprehensively outboxes anyone as far as I can see, so again I give Froch a chance.

[Chase8400]

So basically every opponent a European fighter faces is a waste of time, no matter what their record or what belts they have held, whereas every opponent an American fighter faces is 'live' no matter how questionable their record. If a European beats an American that American must have been 'softened up' first, but if an American beats them same opponent it is a good win.

This issue about 'Miranda beat Abraham first time out' is also nonsense, it completely fails to recognise the fact that Abraham had a badly broken jaw and therefore could not fight to his true potential. Look at what happened in the rematch! Now, you could argue that the fight should have been stopped and Miranda awarded a TKO and I might agree with you, but it wasn't, and Miranda still couldn't get Abraham out of there.

In general you are a good poster because you're always prepared to outline a coherent argument, but really you are one of the most US biased guys here. Your opinions aren't ridiculous or anything but you always subject European guys to the most rigorous criticism whilst simultaneoulsy looking favourably on US fighters and giving them a pass for their every failing.

I'll start by saying that Miranda beat Abraham if not for being in Germany and the fouls. I make no beef with the decision, but how many fights have you seen with 5 point deductions and no DQ? That was home cooking. Secondly, the punch that broke the jaw was clean, but aparently did'nt get AA out of there. Even though he was not KO'd, he looked like total crap for the 4th round on and probably lost all but 2 rounds after the incident. That , in my mind is a technical loss even if the judges did'nt see it that way.

Next, I want you to know that I am not biased to my native fighters at all. I am biased to my favorite fighters. There is a big difference. If you look in my avatar you will see that the majority of my favorite fighters are from Europe. I would root for Hatton over any lighter weight fighter there is. I base my fav's off of fighting style and charisma outside of the ring. The best example of great charisma right now is Kelly Pavlik and he happens to be from the US. He is everything that a fighter should be. He is humble, looks to inspire people and is alot like common folks. He just happens to be a very exceptional boxer. In a way he is like a United States version of Joe Calzaghe minus the arrogant "I can beat you and everyone you know without ever fighting them" attitude. I know in boxing, there must be a sense of self confidence to get in that ring, but modesty is a trait I like in fighters. Alot like Hatton.

About Euro fighters fighting in their homeland and seeing it as being nothing worth while is not the case. I just think that fighting in the US at the B-level is totally different than fighting in Europe on the B-level. Thats why alot of guys come over and get imbarrased. There is a reason why Ricky Hatton, Joe Calzaghe and Arthur Abraham want to come and be recognized in America. This is still the "Mecca" of boxing. You may not like that, but you have said it yourself before. This where exposure and dollars are. Not being arrogant, but this is just the way it has been. You can say it is because of size or whatever you like, but the fact of the matter is that it exists.

In closing I wanted to tell you that I was just watching the LA Galaxy vs. DC United and see that David Beckham really is no great exceptional player. Thanks for letting me know and now I saw for myself. The game looks fun, and seems to be very popular seeing the 75k plus stadium almost full of spectators. I am pretty coordinated and would probably be a decent "football" player. I acually have played on various American football teams. All amatuer, but it's always fun too. Anyways, until next time please go easy on the "Yanks".