Joe Cazaghe's resume: very impressive

[Kilrain]

Hopkins made him look like a bum until he got tired. Nard lost the fight more than Joe won it, plain and simple. If he wasn't so damn old he woulda kept up the pace and won a big decision like 117-110 or something

[BetterCallSaul]

Everybody knows that Hopkins and Jones avoided Calzaghe when good deals were on the table.The difference between the three is that Calzaghe has fought and beat everybody put in front of him, while Hopkings and Jones have both been beaten by average opponents on several occasions.

[IMDAZED]

Everybody knows that Hopkins and Jones avoided Calzaghe when good deals were on the table.The difference between the three is that Calzaghe has fought and beat everybody put in front of him, while Hopkings and Jones have both been beaten by average opponents on several occasions.

Define good deal. And then please tell me when this good deal was offered. A link would be nice.

Thanks.

[The Hammer]

This is pretty much what I said in the first post. You don't need to glorify his resume - it's solid. Not great, but solid. Just don't hype it up. And you KNOW you're hyping it up when you start putting names like Mario Veit on there...unless you really think that's impressive.

Mario Veit is a decent fighter, not a great fighter but a fairly respectable opponent, and was a two time interim world champion, so I decided to include him.

Of course, an lot of Americans will say he was just a "euro bum" but isn't that prejudice? Isn't that what we're dealing with here, a kind of prejudice?

[BattlingNelson]

Many of his opponents have held world titles:

Eubank (WBO twice, at 160 and 168)
Reid (WBC at 168)
Hopkins (IBF, WBC, WBO, WBA, Ring at 160, and IBO, Ring at 175)
Kessler (WBA and WBC at 168)
Lacy (IBF at 168)
Mitchell (WBA twice at 168)
Brewer (IBF at 168)
Veit (interim WBO twice at 168)
Woodhall (WBC at 168)
Thornberry (IBO at 168)

Some of the others were strong opponents too:

Bika (contender champion 2007)
Sheika (was coming off a win over Glen Johnson)

Some were undefeated:

Kessler (39-0)
Lacy (21-0)
Veit (30-0)
Hughes (12-0)
Delaney (21-0)

Calzaghe currently holds the prestigious Ring title in two different weight classes, super middleweight and light heavyweight, at the same time!

It's a very good resume by any standards.

Great post Tunney! I'd like to give you some karma, but I have to spread some around first. That's a resumée of a great fighter. A great fighter who could have been greater by fighting some bigger names earlier in his career.

[bsrizpac]

Everybody knows that Hopkins and Jones avoided Calzaghe when good deals were on the table.The difference between the three is that Calzaghe has fought and beat everybody put in front of him, while Hopkings and Jones have both been beaten by average opponents on several occasions.

No not "everyone knows". Only delusional idiots living in a UK fantasy world.

What's it like in your world?

[IMDAZED]

Mario Veit is a decent fighter, not a great fighter but a fairly respectable opponent, and was a two time interim world champion, so I decided to include him.

Of course, an lot of Americans will say he was just a "euro bum" but isn't that prejudice? Isn't that what we're dealing with here, a kind of prejudice?

Mario Veit is decent...AT BEST. Having a belt doesn't mean as much as who you beat. So tell me who the good fighters were that Veit beat?

Finally, why are you bringing euo bum into this? I've noticed you guys doing this a lot to discredit what someone is saying. I have never said such a thing, nor do I believe in that AT ALL. Now, can we debate the finer points?

[bsrizpac]

It's amazing that Joe has been a pro since the early 90s and never failed to win a single fight.

Joe never dodged anyone, several fighters like Hopkins, Ottke and Jones dodged him.

Bull**** black hater.

[abadger]

Sorry. Call me the Floyd of the Forum. I don't respect people who tout bums to hype up a resume.

That's like me hyping up Roy Jones' resume by using Otis Grant as an example. Dry your eyes, you'll get over it.

As I explained earlier, nobody is "touting bums to hype up a resume". Joe's rep as an elite rests on his wins over Eubank, Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins, his four biggest fights, these are the fights that make his name at the top end of the spectrum. Not as good as someone like Jones, but still good.

Another important facet of Joe's reputation, any way you want to look at it, is his unbeaten career. This is criticised by saying he "fought bums". This thread points out that in fact many of Joes opponents were not bums, but were very good fighters, good enough to win world titles. Getting past these guys alone does not make Joe "elite" or whatever you want to call it, but it does prove he's a pretty high quality champ, a step above basically all the other boxers in his division during the last ten years.

[bsrizpac]

As I explained earlier, nobody is "touting bums to hype up a resume". Joe's rep as an elite rests on his wins over Eubank, Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins, his four biggest fights, these are the fights that make his name at the top end of the spectrum. Not as good as someone like Jones, but still good.

Another important facet of Joe's reputation, any way you want to look at it, is his unbeaten career. This is criticised by saying he "fought bums". This thread points out that in fact many of Joes opponents were not bums, but were very good fighters, good enough to win world titles. Getting past these guys alone does not make Joe "elite" or whatever you want to call it, but it does prove he's a pretty high quality champ, a step above basically all the other boxers in his division during the last ten years.

Half of what you say is correct. Yes the undefeated part should get him credit, Yes his last four wins were good. But not ELITE. That's where i think you're blowing it up a bit too much.