Joe Cazaghe's resume: very impressive

[IMDAZED]

You've clearly not seen even 25% of Calzaghes fights and haven't answered on that, yet use not seeing fights in your argument. Find that very rich and hypocritical.

Here lies a fundamental area and reason for such debates like this. On your side of the argument, in the greatest respect, you seem to judge with WAY to much emphasis on names. If you've not heard of the fighter, or most in your country, circle or whatever hasn't, you clearly do and are, writing them off as bums, or at best low grade opposition. Boxing fans of a certain part of the world are often ignorant to just how really good boxers are out of they're continent. Were all guilty of it, but if polled must would say it's truest most of America, sorry, just true. Don't make it into something it's not.

Many in the US don't consider Kessler a big name for the most part which is ridiculous considering his standing in a division now, he's clearly on the level of that of Calzaghe and Hopkins, yet isn't half the name. Well that's going to be truer more so of previous Calzaghe opponents, hence your view of Calzaghes resume ok at best. This is one great example of not determining a resume good, because you a) haven't heard of some of the fighters b) they're not big names where your from c) you assume there low-med grade fighters.

That is a very big mistake indeed, because it shows you placing far too much trust in the media, population, friends, experts that they're always right, well shock horror, they're not. You sent Lacy over with much of the population, many boxing fans, experts high hopes to beat Calzaghe, I bet even at the time you gave him a good shot, not that you'll admit it. The gap in form was huge. Calzaghe didn't school must of his opponents years before that quite so much, and those are the supposed bums, or low-med grade no name fighters as you make out? So why didn't Calzaghe school the majority of them, as much as he did the much bigger name and entry on the resume, than Lacy?

It's reasonable to say previous opponents of Calzaghe whom you consider to be bums, low-med grade, were infact better than Lacy because Calzaghe didn't beat several of them so convincingly as he did Lacy. That's a perfectly reasonable statement, other fighters did better against Calzaghe, when he had better speed and hands, yet Calzaghe beat him easier than even Reid or Brewer. They just weren't as big names to you.

Truth is your a little argumentative just for the sake of it I'm afraid, and that's been apparent before, sorry to say. Your a fairly good poster but just won't accept points to the contrary of your subjective posts, and resort to a "they're not big names" excuse when you run out of decent objective points.

Being quite honest that's been shown with several responses to your posts, and I think further here. It's also a reason why there's unlikely to be a compromise because no matter how blatantly logical and solid the points are put to you, you rarely see them that way and compromise one bit, so it'll never be resolved. The "they're not names thus top fighters, thus not a good resume" amongst other stuff will come out all over again. If anything demonstrating the above argument as true time and time again.

25% of his fights? Man, shut up with these novels. I've been watching Calzaghe since he was on Showtime in 1999. And no matter how many letters you write, he woulda gotten his ass kicked by any of the top fighters around his division if he had the balls to fight them. He didn't. And since you don't know what I know...don't speak on it. LOl@this clown talking about me only liking "names." STFU.

I know FAR MORE than you think. But keep assuming...you like making an ass of yourself, don't you? You like to typecast people - especially when you have nothing concrete to respond with. So we get these NOVELS. I saw this in that other thread you ran away from.

This is not to knock Joe C. Just the truth. Calzaghe is a fine fighter. A HOF'er even. Not an all-time great, maybe a modern one.

PEACE.

[IMDAZED]

Again, your showing you have poor reading comprehension.

You've picked the least significant detail I mentioned about Joe's resume, and implying I said it was impressive.

You seem to have difficulty in understanding that it's the summation of Joe's resume that's very impressive, not so much any single win, although Kessler and (the complete domination of) Lacy are definitely good wins.

Just stop it man. Summation my ass. He has some solid wins, Mario Veit isn't one of them. Neither are those four pathetic names you included at the end. Not even Richie Woodhall. Give it a rest.

[The Hammer]

Just stop it man. Summation my ass. He has some solid wins, Mario Veit isn't one of them. Neither are those four pathetic names you included at the end. Not even Richie Woodhall. Give it a rest.

Why does it bother you so much? Are you jealous of Joe? Are you someone who wanted to be a boxer, but couldn't succeed?

Richie Woodhall was a good fighter - you're just showing your ignorance.

[IMDAZED]

Why does it bother you so much? Are you jealous of Joe? Are you someone who wanted to be a boxer, but couldn't succeed?

This is the best you got? Here, lets reverse it:

Why did you make a thread touting his resume - including wins over bums? Do you love Joe? Did you want to be his wife but that didn't happen?

[Kris Silver]

25% of his fights? Man, shut up with these novels. I've been watching Calzaghe since he was on Showtime in 1999. And no matter how many letters you write, he woulda gotten his ass kicked by any of the top fighters around his division if he had the balls to fight them. He didn't. And since you don't know what I know...don't speak on it. LOl@this clown talking about me only liking "names." STFU.

I know FAR MORE than you think. But keep assuming...you like making an ass of yourself, don't you? You like to typecast people - especially when you have nothing concrete to respond with. So we get these NOVELS. I saw this in that other thread you ran away from.

This is not to knock Joe C. Just the truth. Calzaghe is a fine fighter. A HOF'er even. Not an all-time great, maybe a modern one.

PEACE.

Say what you like, I at least challenged your points, gave logical reasonings as to why they might be, and listed some good points and questions, one of which being Lacy. Why was Lacy rated by most as a better fighter than Calzaghe, and to this day is a "notable" fight whenever you watch HBO. Truth is the likes of Reid, Brewer, and Woodhall were much tougher fights, they were streaks ahead in terms of challenging Calzaghe compared with the bigger name Lacy. Yet he's still a notable, big name?

All this proves is that your not considering Woodhall, Brewer, Reid and others decent on your resume is down to ignorace and name only assessing that to be fair is partially fed, with them performing at a higher level than Lacy did. These are comparisons you and some find it soo soo hard to accept because of your obsession with names as YOU know them, which given the above points is at best deeply flawed. I know the USA culture is one of the most name, celebrity driven places for its pro's and cons, but a con is this, it doesn't always mean best, big name elsewhere, as highly regarded elsewhere, or the best resume. Get that through your head.

All you've done is answered in a childish dismissive way, further underlining all of my points lol, that your ignorant, dismissive, arrogant with your views, subjective, relentless, and non compromising. You also as predicted, challenged none of the points, resorting to as predicted, as vybe of "Calzaghes resume is ok, good, but not great". LOL, your too idiotic to even see that your underlining all of the criticisms made against you as valid. Instead resorting to STFU, I know more than you arrogant ignorant ranting.

Tunneys right I'm afraid mate, your replying like trigger happy child with the same stuff over and over again. Oh, something else that was predicted. It's clear your acting in these ways is relentless, hence it not worth wasting too much more time on you, it's going in circles. You might be willing to repeat your same old negative subjective crap, faced with various points to the contrary, but most are not. If you don't agree, frankly, don't troll and argue for the sake of it, with pointless views like a know it all child.

You are the weakest link, good bye.

[IMDAZED]

Say what you like, I at least challenged your points, gave logical reasonings as to why they might be, and listed some good points and questions, one of which being Lacy. Why was Lacy rated by most as a better fighter than Calzaghe, and to this day is a "notable" big name whenever you watch HBO. Truth is the likes of Reid, Brewer, and Woodhall were much tougher fights, there were streaks ahead in terms of challenging Calzaghe compared with the bigger name Lacy. All this proves is that you dont consider the likes of those fighters, big names or top fighters on his resume. All I'm pointing out is that's flawed given they did way better against Calzaghe then Lacy could dream of.

All you've done is answered in a childish dismissive way, further underlining all of my points lol, that your ignorant, dismissive, arrogant with your views, subjective, relentless, and non compromising. You also as predicted, challenged none of the points, resorting to as predicted, as vybe of "Calzaghes resume is ok, good, but not great". LOL, your too idiotic to even see that your underlining all of the criticisms made against you as valid. Instead resorting to STFU, I know more than you arrogant ignorant ranting.

Tunneys right I'm afraid mate, your replying like trigger happy child with the same stuff over and over again. Oh, something else that was predicted. It's clear your acting in these ways is relentless, hence it not worth wasting too much more time on you, it's going in circles. You might be willing to repeat your same old negative subjective crap, faced with various points to the contrary, but most are not. If you don't agree, frankly, don't troll and argue for the sake of it, with pointless views like a know it all child.

You are the weakest link, good bye.

Another novel? Do you seriously think I read this ****?

I've yet to see a post that responds to anything I've said SPECIFICALLY regarding Calzaghe. Just your usual BS where you try to lump all non-Calzaghe lovers together.

I'm the weakest link? God, you keep getting cornier.

Do yourself a favor - stop writing novels here and write yourself a book.

[IMDAZED]

Kris, let me show you your ******ity - and unwillingess to separate my post from everyone you send novels to:

Say what you like, I at least challenged your points, gave logical reasonings as to why they might be, and listed some good points and questions, one of which being Lacy. Why was Lacy rated by most as a better fighter than Calzaghe, and to this day is a "notable" fight whenever you watch HBO. Truth is the likes of Reid, Brewer, and Woodhall were much tougher fights, they were streaks ahead in terms of challenging Calzaghe compared with the bigger name Lacy. Yet he's still a notable, big name?

What point have you challenged? Who cares whether Lacy was rated better? The fact is, lacy just isn't that good. Diego Corrales was once rated better than Floyd Mayweather. What does that mean today? Bottom line, Lacy is JUST NOT THAT GOOD. CAN YOU DISPUTE THAT USING LACY or are youg onna keep saying he's good because everyone thought so years ago?

All this proves is that your not considering Woodhall, Brewer, Reid and others decent on your resume is down to ignorace and name only assessing that to be fair is partially fed, with them performing at a higher level than Lacy did. These are comparisons you and some find it soo soo hard to accept because of your obsession with names as YOU know them, which given the above points is at best deeply flawed. I know the USA culture is one of the most name, celebrity driven places for its pro's and cons, but a con is this, it doesn't always mean best, big name elsewhere, as highly regarded elsewhere, or the best resume. Get that through your head.

Where did you hear me speak on Brewer or Reid? Two fighters who, at best, were DECENT. You think I don't know these guys or something? God, you're an idiot. And with all due respect, Richie Woodhall sucks ass. So save that USA bull**** for someone else.

Anything else to say? Or is it the same, "You only know USA fighters" crap you run when you run out of prose? Find a girl, pay her to get laid and take your eyes off your Joe Calzaghe poster.

[Kilrain]

He fought remarkably mediocre opposition for much of his career. The original post is window dressing.

The fact that there was no rematch with Robin Reid after Joes razor-thin decision is inexcusable. I respect some of his victories. I do. But he waited til he was thirty-six to even cross the pond, and that was against a 43-year old Hopkins who had two fights in the previous twenty-eight months. And though Joe won he got dropped and looked terrible for almost the entirety of the fight. He couldn't put the decision beyond doubt despite Hopkins' front-running fight and his lack of combat in the second half. It was a poor fight and a poor performance by both, but Calzaghe is the supposedly invincible all-time great SMW in the prime of his life.

Now he wants to fight Roy Jones Jr. Another ageing, past-his-best "legend" who will look, at first glance, sterling on his record, but to we in the know means virtually nothing.

[IMDAZED]

He fought remarkably mediocre opposition for much of his career. The original post is window dressing.

The fact that there was no rematch with Robin Reid after Joes razor-thin decision is inexcusable. I respect some of his victories. I do. But he waited til he was thirty-six to even cross the pond, and that was against a 43-year old Hopkins who had two fights in the previous twenty-eight months. And though Joe won he got dropped and looked terrible for almost the entirety of the fight. He couldn't put the decision beyond doubt despite Hopkins' front-running fight and his lack of combat in the second half. It was a poor fight and a poor performance by both, but Calzaghe is the supposedly invincible all-time great SMW in the prime of his life.

Now he wants to fight Roy Jones Jr. Another ageing, past-his-best "legend" who will look, at first glance, sterling on his record, but to we in the know means virtually nothing.

Stop ruining the argument with facts! Come on, we wanna tout his two victories over MARIO VEIT. Hey, Veit's good...you're just American so you don't know any better!

[1g5a22]

This is the best you got? Here, lets reverse it:

Why did you make a thread touting his resume - including wins over bums? Do you love Joe? Did you want to be his wife but that didn't happen?

imdazed......the kind of man that is a blueprint for building an idiot.