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You talk about people not talking on subject's they don't know, yet what part of Asia is MMA huge at? I'll give you south Korea but Pride died in Japan and the new Dream has been getting **** ratings. Anywhere else MMA is huge? You say its bigger then Boxing in Asia yet Boxing gets much bigger rating in Japan then MMA, you let me know what part of Asia MMA is huge.
Also just because EliteXC is on CBS doesn't mean they haven't been losing money.
Boxing was always on during the day when it was on network TV, and a few years ago we had boxing on NBC for the summer months.
"ProElite’s filing also reveals an operating loss of $7,345,966 for the three months ending on September 30, 2007, and an operating loss of $19,491,529 for the nine months ending on September 30, 2007."
"The IFL released its 10-K annual report last week. The company has lost a total of $31 million through the end of 2007, including $21.3 million last year alone."
Edit* first link I put was wrong its fixed nowLast edited by mrpain81; 04-21-2008, 07:45 PM.Comment
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It's true that MMA organizations are losing money quickly. The problem is many people don't understand that its not that people don't like MMA but it's that the organizations don't know how to manage their fighters. Look at the UFC. I think it is fare to say that they can manage their stars and how each fight goes and they do it well and its because they have a big fan base and have a lot of money. If an organization doesn't have much money and no one experienced or atleast smart enough to find good management techniques to run their business then they won't make progress. You have to know which fighter to market on and how to play the cards right in putting him in good fights then more people will appeal to it. UFC is a big organization in MMA compared to the rest but still has some growing to do and it is nowhere near the success they can acheiveComment
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What do you expect when you have **** like Joe Calzaghe ***** slapping there way to unconvincing victory over a 43 year old and then calling out another shot 40 year old and pretending he's the best?Comment
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The UFC blew up because TUF and Shamrock vs Tito, Shamrock was big because his WWE past. Rasslin fans started to tune in because they remembered him and TUF was on 1 hour before or after some rasslin show.
I like MMA but some people saying it's taking is simply not true.Comment
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Check the recent ratings and they look fine to me. They came in close with somewhere like 1.2 million PPV buys as their number one record and boxings record was 2.1 with Mayweather vs DLH and the previous was Holyfield and Tyson 2 with 1.9 million. That's 0.7 million PPV buys less then boxing. Doesn't that seem like a competition for you for a sport that just started about 15 years ago. Their not taking over at the moment but they are close and you have to remember that the UFC is a single organization that represents itself and it privately ownedLast edited by Don Corleone; 04-21-2008, 08:00 PM.Comment
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Actually the biggest ppv ever for MMA was
1,050,000 - Tito vs Liddell 2 - December 2006
Boxing
2,400,000 - Delahoya vs Mayweather - May 2007
Boxing and MMA aren't competition
There is growing evidence suggesting that the boxing v. MMA storyline, while convenient and intuitively true, may not be factually supported:
* SecondsOut.com reported that research showed that only about 20% of those in attendance at UFC events have ever attended a boxing match, and that those that had tended to return to boxing.
* Dave Meltzer reported that the LA Times recently reported that the cable companies found in a survey that only 3-5% of people who had ordered a boxing pay-per-view in 2007 had ordered a UFC event.
* According to Meltzer, in 1995 the UFC internally believed that 50-60% of its audience came directly from pro wrestling. Boxing was not considered competition unless it was Tyson because of his crossover appeal. As evidence, Meltzer pointed out that when the UFC went head-to-head with WWE Raw in 2005 there was a significant quarter hour swing between the two programs.
* The lack of competition is further evidenced by the fact that the TUF 6 Finale did a 1.87 rating v. Mayweather-Hatton, peaking at 2.10 with 2.9 million viewers going head-to-head with the Mayweather-Hatton fight itself.
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How credible is this Meltzer guy. You quoting something from 1995 in which many people did not know of even MMA back then. The fact that in 2006 the UFC broke all previous records of PPV revenue with $222,766,000 surpassing boxing and the WWE which was just about 13 or 14 years after they had started. Is that not enough competition. I mean maybe that's not enough money for some people but for others that's a lot. Also, you have to take in account and I have said this money times and many people know this, but MMA as a whole is still new in some places. It will only continue to grow and has much potential but not looking at it as a threat or competition is really a weird thing not to suggest. Just ask the WWE who was very close to reaching a deal to buy them out. That's is what happens when there is close competition. It happened to Pride and WEC when Zuffa bought them out because they were competition. No one is going to buy an organization that has no significant threat to its ownActually the biggest ppv ever for MMA was
1,050,000 - Tito vs Liddell 2 - December 2006
Boxing
2,400,000 - Delahoya vs Mayweather - May 2007
Boxing and MMA aren't competition
There is growing evidence suggesting that the boxing v. MMA storyline, while convenient and intuitively true, may not be factually supported:
* SecondsOut.com reported that research showed that only about 20% of those in attendance at UFC events have ever attended a boxing match, and that those that had tended to return to boxing.
* Dave Meltzer reported that the LA Times recently reported that the cable companies found in a survey that only 3-5% of people who had ordered a boxing pay-per-view in 2007 had ordered a UFC event.
* According to Meltzer, in 1995 the UFC internally believed that 50-60% of its audience came directly from pro wrestling. Boxing was not considered competition unless it was Tyson because of his crossover appeal. As evidence, Meltzer pointed out that when the UFC went head-to-head with WWE Raw in 2005 there was a significant quarter hour swing between the two programs.
* The lack of competition is further evidenced by the fact that the TUF 6 Finale did a 1.87 rating v. Mayweather-Hatton, peaking at 2.10 with 2.9 million viewers going head-to-head with the Mayweather-Hatton fight itself.
http://www.mmapayout.com/2007/12/are...mpetitors.htmlComment
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UFC will probably never take over Boxing.Comment
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