UFC is taking over

[DeymarPR]

i have watched ufc before but people make it out to be such a hard sport and i dont see it that way, a lot of UFC fighters were in pro boxing before and when u look them up their records were bad and had no accomplishments...in other words im trying to say its harder to throw a sharp triple jab right-hand then a hook down and upstairs then trying grab someone and and throw them on the ground and put a submission on them.....ofcourse to the person that doesn't know both sports they would sometimes pick UFC because its more like a common thing mostly two guys going all out when in boxing it's a discipline sport....i choose boxing all day

[Don Corleone]

When did I say there should be more rounds?

I know people don't like fights going to the scorecards that's why young people love MMA so much, the new generations wants instant gratification. That is why if a fight goes 1 minute without action the UFC crowd starts to boo, I know what a good mma fight is and Serra vs GSP 2 was not a good fight. I even thought the stoppage was a bit weak, I know all fights aren't always exciting but that goes for Boxing and MMA. You tried to say Boxing hasn't had consistent main events thats why I put that list for you.

The UFC just has better overall control of the shows and puts on better highlight Videos for the fans, you have to admit people have become MMA fans because of the web. Thats where boxing has been lagging but finally HBO has an account on Youtube and it's no surprise the Boxing highlights are the most viewed videos of what they have.

This is where I'm confused. How was the GSP and Serra fight stoppage a weak one. Wouldn't you think Serra would complain if it was. I mean he does have one of the biggest mouths in the UFC. It wasn't a bad stoppage. The rest I agree with but the internet part it true but I was watching UFC way before it got big on the net. Later on it becomes a helpful tool to keep track of fights and rumors

[Don Corleone]

When did I say there should be more rounds?

I know people don't like fights going to the scorecards that's why young people love MMA so much, the new generations wants instant gratification. That is why if a fight goes 1 minute without action the UFC crowd starts to boo, I know what a good mma fight is and Serra vs GSP 2 was not a good fight. I even thought the stoppage was a bit weak, I know all fights aren't always exciting but that goes for Boxing and MMA. You tried to say Boxing hasn't had consistent main events thats why I put that list for you.

The UFC just has better overall control of the shows and puts on better highlight Videos for the fans, you have to admit people have become MMA fans because of the web. Thats where boxing has been lagging but finally HBO has an account on Youtube and it's no surprise the Boxing highlights are the most viewed videos of what they have.

Finally something decent. Not that useful but a good start. It's true that the web has helped out in many ways with UFC but then again what better way is there to get your message across to millions of people

[StackMo]

Finally something decent. Not that useful but a good start. It's true that the web has helped out in many ways with UFC but then again what better way is there to get your message across to millions of people

It was weak because the only defense Serra could manage was modified fetal position on the floor. Basically because Serra had no offense to speak of.

[mrpain81]

This is where I'm confused. How was the GSP and Serra fight stoppage a weak one. Wouldn't you think Serra would complain if it was. I mean he does have one of the biggest mouths in the UFC. It wasn't a bad stoppage. The rest I agree with but the internet part it true but I was watching UFC way before it got big on the net. Later on it becomes a helpful tool to keep track of fights and rumors

The fight was hyped to death then GSP layed on Serra most the fight then he knee's him a few times(yes they must have been painfull) and he does a verbal tap.

It was like Delahoya vs Hopkins in the sense it was very anticlimactic unless your a GSP fan and didn't care how he won but that he got the win.

[StackMo]

I guess this means you've declined my invitation to compare notes a second time.

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

How credible is this Meltzer guy.

Very credible. He's covered MMA since '88.

**** UFC is my personal opinion, i hate it....anybody can throw a kick or slam somebody but it will ALWAYS take a lifetime to be able to master the art of Boxing...thats why im a boxer and i love boxing, i don't like UFC

Perfecting a middle or high kick is just like perfecting a cross or an uppercut. You really have to work on speed and accuracy for them to be effective. Slams are more tricky. Yes, it uses a considerate amount of power, but you have to have balance as well. Slamming a guy on the ground is one thing. Making sure you still have dominate position after that without falling over is another.

Dave Meltzer has a newsletter called "Wrestling Observer" he usually gets the PPV numbers from his sources. He also writes for Yahoo/MMA section he's pretty reliable.

MMA and Rasslin might be in competition

Just pointing out that while UFC recognizes they're drawing Sports Entertainment fans, they feel that they're "sharing" the fanbase while WWE, in some absurd way, sees it as competition.

I only like Kimbo...no one else.

Missing out on a lot of great fighters. Kimbo's hype machine needs to be turned down. Gary Shaw's Affliction***-ism florishes everytime he promotes Kimbo.

yea but you atleast gotta admit the majority of the fans are dumb college meatheads, who dont even really appreciate the sport. ateast from what I've seen first hand at the bars and parties and ****.

many ufc fans are people who just want to see a fight. Have no real knowledge and respect for the science of boxing..

I got to part ways here a bit. Yeah, you do have a good amount of Affliction**** and TAPASSES with there hooches watching at the bars, but you also got police, military, people who participate or are fans of college wrestling or college martial arts and overall fans of the grappling scene who get to see guys like Damian Maia or Ricardo Almaeda show their skills on a recognized professional level.

Ufc is trash...If you like a bunch of wrestling and ball and ass grabbing then i guess its for you. Other then Kimbo Slice i wouldnt be caught dead paying for it..

This coming from a guy whose avatar swindled a fighter and endangered his life just to have a boxing match in a cage.

Lets make this real easy. Ufc is big because white dudes have a sport they can call their own and identify with. Not too many white dudes(American) making an impact in boxing except the Ghost Pavlik. The UFc has primarily white guys fightin so they can relate.

It is the sport where white guys are the draw for the most part as opposed to boxing where the draw is black, mex/pr or philip.

I think it's more cultural then racial. Farming communities have a long standing tradition with grappling just as long as urban communities have with striking. If people keep an open mind as this sport progresses, I think we'll see a more diverse fight community sooner or later.

i have watched ufc before but people make it out to be such a hard sport and i dont see it that way, a lot of UFC fighters were in pro boxing before and when u look them up their records were bad and had no accomplishments...in other words im trying to say its harder to throw a sharp triple jab right-hand then a hook down and upstairs then trying grab someone and and throw them on the ground and put a submission on them.....ofcourse to the person that doesn't know both sports they would sometimes pick UFC because its more like a common thing mostly two guys going all out when in boxing it's a discipline sport....i choose boxing all day

Trust me. Throwing a guy and then trasitioning into and armbar is HARD!! You got to make sure you control your opponent so as he doesn't move then you got to give just enough momentum with the body so as to get the guy down but to also advance your position in order to create a fast and fluid transition so as your opponent can't counter you in any way and then add the right amount of leverage to the arm in order for your opponent to feel pain and to keep the arm from breaking.

In boxing you need just one tool. Grappling and MMA needs a toolbox.

Here's a good question.

What are you guys reaction going to be when Golden Boy starts getting into the MMA game?

[Ras44]

I went to this place where they charge to watch the fights. Usually it was just boxing but now they had boxing and UFC on. Well this place has tons of screens inside. Usually you could here the announcers on the speakers, but since UFC was on, boxing was only playing on two screens with no sound while UFC was playing in the rest. All you here was UFC commentators and people screaming while they were watching UFC fights. What makes it worst is the boring fight from last night and the more than weak undercard. As soon as they announced the decision the two screens that had boxing changed to the UFC fights. What is hurting boxing is these weak fights and the undercards. I would have rather paid for last weeks Marg and Cotto doubleheader than this bull**** they put together to make money.

If you go to a place where "young people hang out" you will see more MMA fans, because that's their core fan base. Boxing's fan base is much wider, and I suspect (someone correct me if I'm wrong), stronger on an international level.

[Don Corleone]

The fight was hyped to death then GSP layed on Serra most the fight then he knee's him a few times(yes they must have been painfull) and he does a verbal tap.

It was like Delahoya vs Hopkins in the sense it was very anticlimactic unless your a GSP fan and didn't care how he won but that he got the win.

I don't see as much similar to the DLH and Hopkins match. Hopkins wasn't handling DLH the way GSP was handling Serra. In the DLH fight it was close up to the 9th round with Hopkins winning by two rounds. However Serra never came close to GSP. Hopkins got a nice body shot and put him down. GSP was very controlling and did what he wanted to do with Serra. He got nice combinations on the ground. He got a nice superman punch on his feet that probobly hurt Serra. He got take downs numberous takedowns. He was taking control of him in every way. Maybe you think it would be more exciting if Serra were to answer to any of those shots, and I would agree with that. What was GSP to do, it wasn't the best finish and I would rather see them trade shots but that wasn't the strategy GSP came in with thats why he went for the takedown 3 seconds into it. He had respect for Serra's stand up game. I don't think it was anywhere near anticlimactic as Kalib Starned and Nate Quarry. I do care how he got the win and again I would rather of him win in another fasion, but am I going to go against him and say it was the worst fight ever? No because Serra should've done more and played his part in trying to match skills with GSP and he couldn't

[Don Corleone]

I guess this means you've declined my invitation to compare notes a second time.

I haven't answered to that because you only started posting something decent. Everything else you were posting was just bashing people who were posting something that was relevant to the topic. I didn't start this bud, you did. You said no one knows anything about MMA and that I don't know and have never seen Muay Thai in my life. What you expect me to do, you don't know me and I don't know you. Your basing your opinion on my Muay Thai understanding from my posts. I would think someone with that much Muay Thai or even MMA knowledge like youself wouldn't start of posts by bashing people but would state points and facts to prove your claim