Best Featherweight of this Era?

[Left Hook Tua]

very informative post.

makes me want to change my vote from barrera to erik.

can't go wrong with either in my opinion or even manny if you want although manny's career at 122-130 was way too short compared to the other 2. erik had more quality wins than marco but marco had bigger name wins and manny which had less quality wins than those 2 but more wins against the 3 other big names.

also don't forget to add that the only person to beat a prime morales was a prime barrera (and that decision was debatable). barrera losses in prime (jones , morales and some would say manny) , manny losses (past prime morales) and marquez losses (norwood , john , pacquiao).

too bad manny entered the public view a little late and juan never got his shot. those 4 all in the 122-126 divisions at the same time fighting each other would have been great.

[Motofan]

I never said the only people who are fans of Manny havent followed boxing for very long, I said that most people who think he was the best of the men listed havent followed boxing very long. Feel free to tell me Im wrong. You have been trying to talk up Hamed in this thread, but he was an over rated fighter who got dropped by an ancient Kevin Kelly and was dismantled by Marco. He got outclassed easily in the only big fight he ever fought. Hamed doesnt deserve to be on this list, he isnt on the same planet as the rest of the guys. Pac ko's Hamed inside 6. Barrera was not close to prime when he fought Pac, either were Morales or Marquez. A prime Barrera beats Pac from ring post to ring post and maybe even stops him. A prime Morales takes Pac's head off. Pac wouldnt finish the fight on his feet. And we have seen what an old Marquez can do to Pac (most ringside people thought JMM he won both fights) so a Marquez that is a little faster and a little sharper beats Pac easily. Pac is lucky to be hitting his prime when the best fighters are all on there last legs. Fact.

[Left Hook Tua]

I never said the only people who are fans of Manny havent followed boxing for very long, I said that most people who think he was the best of the men listed havent followed boxing very long. Feel free to tell me Im wrong. You have been trying to talk up Hamed in this thread, but he was an over rated fighter who got dropped by an ancient Kevin Kelly and was dismantled by Marco. He got outclassed easily in the only big fight he ever fought. Hamed doesnt deserve to be on this list, he isnt on the same planet as the rest of the guys. Pac ko's Hamed inside 6. Barrera was not close to prime when he fought Pac, either were Morales or Marquez. A prime Barrera beats Pac from ring post to ring post and maybe even stops him. A prime Morales takes Pac's head off. Pac wouldnt finish the fight on his feet. And we have seen what an old Marquez can do to Pac (most ringside people thought JMM he won both fights) so a Marquez that is a little faster and a little sharper beats Pac easily. Pac is lucky to be hitting his prime when the best fighters are all on there last legs. Fact.

i'm not talking up hamed. i have him listed 4th. i'm just not ****ting on him either. hamed had good quality wins. you can argue he has had more quality wins than juan manuel. just because he got schooled by barrera doesn't diminish him. how many guys have barrera schooled? it's a long list. his resume doesn't compare to eriks and marco's because of his short career but not much less juan manuel.

i don't see prime barrera beating up manny. just a bad matchup for marco and yes he was still close to prime when manny beat him. tell fana , peden , morales and juarez he was already washed up. besides the older , smarter boxing barrera has a better chance against manny than the younger , slugger marco.

juan is still in his prime or close to it. juan aged very well because of his style and easier resume compared to erik and marco. you telling me a 29-30 yr. old juan manuel wasn't in his prime when they fought at 126?

[MakeDamnSure]

I never said the only people who are fans of Manny havent followed boxing for very long, I said that most people who think he was the best of the men listed havent followed boxing very long. Feel free to tell me Im wrong. You have been trying to talk up Hamed in this thread, but he was an over rated fighter who got dropped by an ancient Kevin Kelly and was dismantled by Marco. He got outclassed easily in the only big fight he ever fought. Hamed doesnt deserve to be on this list, he isnt on the same planet as the rest of the guys. Pac ko's Hamed inside 6. Barrera was not close to prime when he fought Pac, either were Morales or Marquez. A prime Barrera beats Pac from ring post to ring post and maybe even stops him. A prime Morales takes Pac's head off. Pac wouldnt finish the fight on his feet. And we have seen what an old Marquez can do to Pac (most ringside people thought JMM he won both fights) so a Marquez that is a little faster and a little sharper beats Pac easily. Pac is lucky to be hitting his prime when the best fighters are all on there last legs. Fact.

When Pac fought Barrera, MAB was only 29 years old..
Morales was 28 years old..
Pac was 26 years old..

Mab will never beat Pac even if they fought 10 times prime vs prime.. Why are you dreaming MAB will stop him? Pac has never been knockdown for 7 years already .... A prime Morales barely beat a bloody face Pac by a 113-115 decision.. Look at what happened when there's no cut, he demolished him and Morales was just 29 years old and Pac was 27 years old.. Your dreaming about MAB being able to knock Pac out if infact Barrera, Morales and Marquez are the one that gets knock the **** out 13 times in the canvas.. The only way Morales,MAB or JMM will win is by outboxing, stay away and win by points.. No way in Hell a Mexican knocks Pac out.. It will be Pac who will make Mexicans stay Flat on the canvas.. The only way Mexicans will win is by points and that's a fact..

Did you forgot how a 36 year old schooled Juan Diaz?
You forgotten a turning 37 years beat the **** out of 27 year old Katsidis?

[nelsoncm]

Prime seems to be overrated here.

When was Morales' prime? Wasn't he given a close (and to some, gift) decision against Espadas I during his prime? And in his prime, he was still very hittable, as attested against In Jin Chi. He looked like the loser, contrary to the so-called "untouchable" Morales.

I voted
1. Barrera
2. EM
3. Pac/JMM

It would do justice to put JMM with Pac because he has never been beaten clearly and was never given the chance to slug it out with the other two earlier in their careers.

[Motofan]

Cant argue with what age each fighter was. Age doesnt equal prime sad enough. Pac beat old fighters (well other then when old Morales beat him, and both time JMM gave him a boxing lesson) and I understand you dont want to accept it. I'll say it again, prime for prime, Pac loses to every fighter on this list besides Hamed. Morales knocks him cold, Barrera wins easily one way or another and Marquez wins 10 rounds so the judges would have a harder time not giving him the fight, even though it would probably still be a split win for Marquez because Pac is the "name" fighter.

[MakeDamnSure]

Cant argue with what age each fighter was. Age doesnt equal prime sad enough. Pac beat old fighters (well other then when old Morales beat him, and both time JMM gave him a boxing lesson) and I understand you dont want to accept it. I'll say it again, prime for prime, Pac loses to every fighter on this list besides Hamed. Morales knocks him cold, Barrera wins easily one way or another and Marquez wins 10 rounds so the judges would have a harder time not giving him the fight, even though it would probably still be a split win for Marquez because Pac is the "name" fighter.

All right I already understand what your saying..

1.) A 28 year old Barrera is past his prime when he fought Pac in 2003 even though MAB was the #3 P4P at that tme and was the the Linear Champ at Featherweight at that time coming from a Hell of Straight Wins..

2.)Morales was 28 years old and already Past his Prime

3.) Marquez was 29 years old when Pac fought him and a draw and then he was old and past his prime also..

Larios is already old and past his prime even he was 27..

David Diaz already past is prime also..

Every fighter Pac has Face even a 24 year old is already Past him prime.. wahaha..

TOO BAD a turning 37 year old Past his Prime Campbell beat a prime JUAN DIAZ.. wahahahaha

Now I understand your logic.. wahahaha

[Left Hook Tua]

Cant argue with what age each fighter was. Age doesnt equal prime sad enough. Pac beat old fighters (well other then when old Morales beat him, and both time JMM gave him a boxing lesson) and I understand you dont want to accept it. I'll say it again, prime for prime, Pac loses to every fighter on this list besides Hamed. Morales knocks him cold, Barrera wins easily one way or another and Marquez wins 10 rounds so the judges would have a harder time not giving him the fight, even though it would probably still be a split win for Marquez because Pac is the "name" fighter.

well...... what's a forum if you can't agree to disagree?

my take? prime vs. prime head to head style and skill wise?

barrera - sd win or loss morales
ud or tko loss paquiao
ud win marquez
ud win hamed

morales - sd win or loss barrera
ud win pacquiao
ud or tko win marquez
ud win hamed

pacquiao - ud or tko win barrera
ud loss morales
sd win or loss marquez
ud win or ko loss hamed

marquez - ud loss barrera
ud or tko loss morales
sd win or loss pacquiao
ud win or ko loss hamed

hamed - ud loss barrera
ud loss morales
tko win or ud loss pacquiao
ud loss or ko win marquez

[Motofan]

Old George Foreman won fights to. What is the point? That doesnt have anything to do with the topic. Did I say that old fighters couldnt win fights at all? So you think old George Foreman was as good as young George Foreman? See how that is a dumb question? It's dumb because it has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Same as what you said. Because Diaz got beat by an old fighter doesnt mean **** when it comes to the fighters we are talking about.

[MakeDamnSure]

i'm not talking up hamed. i have him listed 4th. i'm just not ****ting on him either. hamed had good quality wins. you can argue he has had more quality wins than juan manuel. just because he got schooled by barrera doesn't diminish him. how many guys have barrera schooled? it's a long list. his resume doesn't compare to eriks and marco's because of his short career but not much less juan manuel.

i don't see prime barrera beating up manny. just a bad matchup for marco and yes he was still close to prime when manny beat him. tell fana , peden , morales and juarez he was already washed up. besides the older , smarter boxing barrera has a better chance against manny than the younger , slugger marco.

juan is still in his prime or close to it. juan aged very well because of his style and easier resume compared to erik and marco. you telling me a 29-30 yr. old juan manuel wasn't in his prime when they fought at 126?

Before the Barrera fought Pac in 2003, he beat Morales, Kelly, Hamed and was considered the best 126,, When Pac came he looks like an amateur because Pac can fight for 12 rounds and pressure you in which Barrera and Morales looks like very slow on the 12th round during their prime... After Pac beat 28 year old Barrera's ass and was #3 P4P at that time, he captured the belt at 130 and Beat Morales, Peden, Juarez, Fana and even Beat Marquez IMO..

Barrera and Morales are great fighters, Morales even Beat Diaz and Barrera can beat any fighters in the game except Pac.. It's just that Pac is bad match-up for them style wise and will get demolished.. MAB and Morales fight any fighter and they will rule the ring.. They can defeat every fighter out there near in their division but not Pac because Pac will already beaten all of them.. 5-1-1