Best Featherweight of this Era?

[MakeDamnSure]

I think you're overrating the 'names' or the size of them for Pac. Morales and Barrera both have bigger names than Pac. Pac is a massive superstar at the moment and has been lucky in getting Barrera and Morales at the right time with both coming off a hard run and towards the end of their careers. But, to say that he has the bigger names than both, while they have more good names is crazy and generally what everyone mistakenly thinks, due to lack of memory.

Barrera and Morales both beat each other (Barrera 1 and 3, Morales 2) and they are both much bigger names than Pac. Tapia and Ayala are massive names as is Zaragoza, Marquez etc. Overall they have more bigger names as well as many more very good names but people have forgotten that at the time these guys were big names.

Junior Jones, Barrera, McCullough, Kelley, Espadas, Chavez, Hernandez, Pacquiao and Zaragoza is twice and three times the resume of Pacquiao with nearly all of those names bigger than everyone apart from Barrera and Morales.
McKinney, Tapia, Hamed, Morales, Juarez, Peden, Kelley and Fana are again twice the resume of Pacs but most people have forgotten how good someone like McKinney was and how big their names were at the time.

Anyway, away from that argument, I think that it is quite obviously a choice between Morales and Barrera. I guess, and this is very iffy that I would probably put Barrera at the top if I had to put anyone there but would also happily put Morales there too. My list would be something like this:
1: Barrera/Morales
2: Morale/Barrera
3: Marquez
4: Pacman
5: Hamed

It is unfortunate that Marquez' management didn't do the proper job that they needed to with such a stunning fighter and unlike someone else I think Marquez best days are well behind him. 5 or 6 years ago he was one of the best counter punching combinations fighters of the day without a doubt. He's still brilliant but his new offensive style and his age have caught up with him, and of course he has a draw and a loss which I still believe are two wins on his resume quite convincingly though nothing can change that obviously.

It's funny but I actually think of Pacquiao today as slightly similar to Hamed was in the past. A great exciting fighter (not that I found him exciting but nonetheless I watched his fights just hoping he would get KO'ed) and got his fame largely off of some wins over faded old fighters. Unlike Hamed though Pacquiao had the balls to come back from a loss.

Who did JMM have beaten? Take a Shot MAB out of JMM resume there who did he beat? Mexicans gave more credit of Marquez beating Barrera like how spectacular and how amazing JMM beat Barrera in a dominant fashion, meanwhile when Pac demolished Barrera in 2003, Every Mexicans claimed Barrera was shot..

But the fact will never change Pac beat Morales twice, Barrera twice and JMM twice if not for the judges mistake..

Beating Some Mexican Greats in a KO is more impressive than all of their resume's combined.. MAB and EM should thank Pacquiao because they were placed in record books as Pac being the first man to Knock them Out Cold.

EM,JMM,MAB>Pacquiao - 1 wins 5 loss 1 draw 0 knockdowns

Pacquiao>MAB.EM,Marquez - 5 wins 1 loss 1 draw 11 knockdowns

[MakeDamnSure]

Barrera,Morales,Marquez RECORD AGAINST PACQUIAO

1 wins 5 loss 0 knockdowns

PACQUIAO's record against MAB, EM and JMM

5 wins 1 loss 11 knockdowns

I'd say on the list it's Pac because all of them tasted the canvas against Pac 11 times.. Meanwhile Pac never tasted the canvas against any mexicans.. If you include Larios and Solis then it will be total of 15 knockdowns against all of them.

[Silencers]

I think you're overrating the 'names' or the size of them for Pac. Morales and Barrera both have bigger names than Pac. Pac is a massive superstar at the moment and has been lucky in getting Barrera and Morales at the right time with both coming off a hard run and towards the end of their careers. But, to say that he has the bigger names than both, while they have more good names is crazy and generally what everyone mistakenly thinks, due to lack of memory.

Barrera and Morales both beat each other (Barrera 1 and 3, Morales 2) and they are both much bigger names than Pac. Tapia and Ayala are massive names as is Zaragoza, Marquez etc. Overall they have more bigger names as well as many more very good names but people have forgotten that at the time these guys were big names.

Junior Jones, Barrera, McCullough, Kelley, Espadas, Chavez, Hernandez, Pacquiao and Zaragoza is twice and three times the resume of Pacquiao with nearly all of those names bigger than everyone apart from Barrera and Morales.
McKinney, Tapia, Hamed, Morales, Juarez, Peden, Kelley and Fana are again twice the resume of Pacs but most people have forgotten how good someone like McKinney was and how big their names were at the time.

Anyway, away from that argument, I think that it is quite obviously a choice between Morales and Barrera. I guess, and this is very iffy that I would probably put Barrera at the top if I had to put anyone there but would also happily put Morales there too. My list would be something like this:
1: Barrera/Morales
2: Morale/Barrera
3: Marquez
4: Pacman
5: Hamed

It is unfortunate that Marquez' management didn't do the proper job that they needed to with such a stunning fighter and unlike someone else I think Marquez best days are well behind him. 5 or 6 years ago he was one of the best counter punching combinations fighters of the day without a doubt. He's still brilliant but his new offensive style and his age have caught up with him, and of course he has a draw and a loss which I still believe are two wins on his resume quite convincingly though nothing can change that obviously.

I agree with this part.

[LOLAGE! PWNAGE!]

Who did JMM have beaten? Take a Shot MAB out of JMM resume there who did he beat? Mexicans gave more credit of Marquez beating Barrera like how spectacular and how amazing JMM beat Barrera in a dominant fashion, meanwhile when Pac demolished Barrera in 2003, Every Mexicans claimed Barrera was shot..

But the fact will never change Pac beat Morales twice, Barrera twice and JMM twice if not for the judges mistake..

Beating Some Mexican Greats in a KO is more impressive than all of their resume's combined.. MAB and EM should thank Pacquiao because they were placed in record books as Pac being the first man to Knock them Out Cold.

EM,JMM,MAB>Pacquiao - 1 wins 5 loss 1 draw 0 knockdowns

Pacquiao>MAB.EM,Marquez - 5 wins 1 loss 1 draw 11 knockdowns

Good post! Pacquiao is the best.Pachater need to accept it.

[OldSkool]

I am of the opinion that both Erik Morales and MAB were a little shop worn and old when manny beat them. I also think that Morales should have won 2 out of 3 of the classic trilogy between him and MAB.

El Terribles heart, speed, power and technique were impeccable and for these reasons i would say Erik "El Terrible" Morales was the best featherweight of our era

[BennyST]

Who did JMM have beaten? Take a Shot MAB out of JMM resume there who did he beat? Mexicans gave more credit of Marquez beating Barrera like how spectacular and how amazing JMM beat Barrera in a dominant fashion, meanwhile when Pac demolished Barrera in 2003, Every Mexicans claimed Barrera was shot..

But the fact will never change Pac beat Morales twice, Barrera twice and JMM twice if not for the judges mistake..

Beating Some Mexican Greats in a KO is more impressive than all of their resume's combined.. MAB and EM should thank Pacquiao because they were placed in record books as Pac being the first man to Knock them Out Cold.

EM,JMM,MAB>Pacquiao - 1 wins 5 loss 1 draw 0 knockdowns

Pacquiao>MAB.EM,Marquez - 5 wins 1 loss 1 draw 11 knockdowns

Ok.

Oh, just thought you might want to know the definition of 'knocked out cold' for future reference...Getting 'knocked out cold' is when you are hit and knocked unconscious and cannot get up before the count of ten. None of those guys were knocked out cold. They were all just TKO's. Good stuff though.

Now this is a classic case of a nuthugging Pac fan with no memory of anything before Pac. Actually this is a classic case of a nuthugging Pac fan with no knowledge of boxing outside of Pac either before or after.

I wonder....? Do you look at all boxing history as B.P and A.P?

Anyway, that post was good for a laugh MDS. Cheers.

[SAN D13GO VILLAN]

Let me explain about the whole been in their prime situation, When people say a boxer not been in his prime their not talking about their age. Yes Paquiao is only a couple years younger then both Barrera and Morales but you have to remember that Both Barrera and Morales were allready fighting on HBO taking on some of the best fighters in the late 90's while Pac man was still in the Phillipines figthing nobodys. We all know that when you make it to the big time networks (HBO) you might get 1 or 2 soft fights but Most of the time HBO demands their fighters to be in some tough fights against top fighters and after fighting the best for years your body starts to wear down and slown down and cant take punches as good as before! For us that have been following boxing this isnt anything new we have seen this happen over and over.

[Steak]

How how can you call a Barrera past his prime in 2003 when he was considerably a top 3 P4P and was coming from a victory against Morales, Hamed, Tapia and kelly and Barrera was very good at the ring.. He then face Pac and got himself demolished in the ring.. Your logic suck because it's only in your dreams and opinions..You call a 28 year old Barrera a past his prime when in fact he dominate his last fights was considered the best in his era.. What an ASS!

MAB and Morales looks slow every round 12 during their fights and Pac can still pressure you until the very end..You forgot that after Pac knocks the **** out on Barrera, Barrera beat Peden, Juarez, Fana and Even Marquez IMO. That's Barrera and Morales will never be able to beat Pac prime vs Prime thanks for the cut and the accidental headbut he get a way with a 2 point decision win.. You call a 29 year old Marquez past this prime? What an ASS are you... No one ever close of Knocking Pac out in 122-130 division.. Pac KO them all... No way Morales and Barrera can KO Pac,Maybe 1%.. Pac has a 90% chance of knocking Marquez, Barrera and Morales out..

people were wondering what Barrera had left even as early as the first Morales fight. and that first fight between those two was so brutal that neither of them could be considered in their prime ever again...

fighters at lower weights have shorter primes because they fight so much more often.

and I didnt think Barrera was shot when Pacquiao first beat him...but he was a little bit past his prime, and unfocused. Either way, Pacquiao might have beat him regardless, he always seemed like a bad matchup for Barrera, just like Junior Jones was.

but honestly, think about it...look at the fights Barrera had gone through before he faced Pacquiao. those were some tough, punishing fights...

[BennyST]

Barrera was fighting McKinney in about his seventh world bantamweight title defense and in one of the greatest fights ever and probably the best ever 'after dark' fight around the same time Pac was getting KO'd by some hack with only 11 wins and 4 losses and 4 draws in only his eighth or tenth fight or something.

It kind of sucks because I love Pac! He is such a damn exciting fighter and is everything boxing needs right now but all these moronic fans just make me want to see him lose.

It really is a pity because I hate to see great fighters like Morales disrespected and bagged out at the end of his career after a million insanely tough fights and lose to a guy and all these rabid fans popping up out of the woodworks to sling **** everywhere.

Whoever thinks Morales wasn't dead game shot needs to go and check out one of his fights from over ten years ago when he first won a title. Yes, that's right, Morales first won a title over ten years ago! There was life B.P.

[UnderPressure]

Pac is old now because he's 29.