Who's A More Complete Fighter Pernell or Floyd?

[Amir K Shareef]

You said Pernell was like Judah and Judah had no defense. Is that not what you said?

no i said he is like judah on the POWER and SPEED catagories... so what i mean is he is like judah but judah dosent have the defense of pernell

[Wiley Hyena]

Why don't you read the entire post before responding. I think I explained myself very well. Anyway I think people are seriously overrating Pernell Whitaker on here. I mean where was this love when he used to fight? Now people parrot everything that other people say watching youtube highlights of Pernell slipping punches and they think they know it all.

It's a pretty common thing when fighters don't get the credit they deserve until after they have retired.

[Wiley Hyena]

no i said he is like judah on the POWER and SPEED catagories... so what i mean is he is like judah but judah dosent have the defense of pernell

OH...ok, I see it now.

[wmute]

Where did I state that reach, power, and speed were "fundamentals"? That's ridiculous. lol There's nothing more to argue here. Ali was fundamentally sound. Period.

Ali didn't get hit because "he did things wrong." Ali got hit because he was a boxer and he was in with some of the greatest competition of any era. You are essentially saying that since Ali "got hit", he was fundamentally unsound. That argument is what is fundamentally unsound.

Your post is still there to read, right? You name physical abilities in a list that was supposed to be of fundamentals (that's if you wanted to answer the post you were answering, if it was not supposed to be a list of fundamentals, then you were simply out of topic).

Ali got hit a lot in the 70s because he slowed down and his defense was leaking, he got hit by the Fraziers but he also got hit by the Bugners. Skills keep you in the game when your speed, your reflexes are gone. If Ali had them his 70s career would have looked different. See Hopkins, Moore, Toney... Ali was more like Roy Jones Jr. (not talking about all time standings, just effectiveness of style with age)

Also Ali's shortcomings in terms of fundamentals is nothing new. That's why in his time, every boxing expert thought that Louis/Dempsey/Marciano (depenfing on the writer) could beat Ali.
Mind, I disagree with those above, Ali is my number 1 all time HW, but I can still see the problem with his basics.

[knightranger]

Floyd Sux

Pernell woulda smoked Floyd Gayweather. Floyd is a fraud.

[Amir K Shareef]

Pernell woulda smoked Floyd Gayweather. Floyd is a fraud.

so what about floyds undefeated record make you think he is a fraud?? if he is a fraud judah and oscar would of beatin him

[Wiley Hyena]

Your post is still there to read, right? You name physical abilities in a list that was supposed to be of fundamentals (that's if you wanted to answer the post you were answering, if it was not supposed to be a list of fundamentals, then you were simply out of topic).

Ali got hit a lot in the 70s because he slowed down and his defense was leaking, he got hit by the Fraziers but he also got hit by the Bugners. Skills keep you in the game when your speed, your reflexes are gone. If Ali had them his 70s career would have looked different. See Hopkins, Moore, Toney... Ali was more like Roy Jones Jr. (not talking about all time standings, just effectiveness of style with age)

Also Ali's shortcomings in terms of fundamentals is nothing new. That's why in his time, every boxing expert thought that Louis/Dempsey/Marciano (depenfing on the writer) could beat Ali.
Mind, I disagree with those above, Ali is my number 1 all time HW, but I can still see the problem with his basics.

I was off topic, if you want to call it that. I just threw everything into the list.

I can understand that Ali is not beyond criticism. All I'm saying is that Ali was NOT fundamentally unsound. That's the statement that I was responding to.

[SkillspayBills]

so what about floyds undefeated record make you think he is a fraud?? if he is a fraud judah and oscar would of beatin him

Dadon you seem like a pretty smart person, so why would you respond to someone who made such a dumbass statement?

[knightranger]

he's real good about picking his opponents. selective in fact. he doesn't have the goods to take on the elite in the class he's in so he's bebopping around all over the place talking a buncha **** while making himself look like a dope.

[knightranger]

Dadon you seem like a pretty smart person, so why would you respond to someone who made such a dumbass statement?

why would you be all up in floyd's junk without a proper foundation?