Mayweather & Hatton: Adversity Means Very Little

[bdevils]

That is your opinion.

NO, I just have two good eyes!!!

[Fox McCloud]

That is your opinion.

Opinion or not, Floyd blocked every other punch that Judah threw in that "I'm going to close the show and knock this dude out." flurry. Judah found a hole in the first line of Mayweather's defense, but couldn't get past the second. I think it is generally true that that shot didn't do a whole lot to diminish what people thought of Floyd.

[Wiley Hyena]

been reading through all the pages.

here's what I don't get Wiley .. you constantly say Floyd has a padded record and that Hatton has the better resume because based on the... "best competition that each fighter has faced thus far"

so in retort to that Mayweather fans have brought up Castillo 2x, Zab Judah, Corley, De La Hoya, Hernandez .. thats a solid 5 names right there

but all you can bring up for Hatton's best opposition is a 35 year old Kostya ... and a 32 year old Castillo

so just on that basis .. how the hell in 43 fights does Hatton have the better resume when the 2 best opponents he fought were not even close to PRIME?

and yes factoring age into it does count, because in 2002 Jose Luis Castillo was the man to beat at 135 when Floyd fought him ... can you really say the same about JLC five years later at 140 pounds?

I never said that at all. Maybe you ought to re-read what you say you read.

[Wiley Hyena]

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So, let me ensure that I understand what you are saying:

The 33/34 year old Oscar is definitely not as good as the "prime" Oscar...... but it is "debatable" if the 36 year old Tszyu had slipped?


I can't discuss this with you. You are very biased.

You can't discuss this with me because you don't understand what I've stated.

[Wiley Hyena]

Fair enough. But, I never saw Jose Luis Castillo lay down to anybody. Maybe, just maybe, Castillo's problem was Ricky Hatton. I think it's error, for real, to believe that the only reason Castillo went down the way he did to Hatton was because something must have been wrong with him. Castillo and Tszyu are two tough mountains to climb, period. You can run them down all you want, but to me all that is sour g****s. IMO those mountains stand just as high as today's De LaHoya and Corrales.

This sums everything up as far as I'm concerned. The contention that Mayweather has a better record than Hatton is just masturbatory nonsense. But, I don't necessarily think that Hatton's record is better than Mayweather's, either. I'm saying that there is no clear distinction between the two. I mean if you want to be petty and trivial about it, one could always say that Hatton has 5 more wins than Mayweather, therefore Hatton has the better record. LOL The bottom line is that all the padding ends at fight time, and it looks like it's going to be very interesting. After that fight, I'll give credit where credit is due.

[squealpiggy]

This sums everything up as far as I'm concerned. The contention that Mayweather has a better record than Hatton is just masturbatory nonsense. But, I don't necessarily think that Hatton's record is better than Mayweather's, either. I'm saying that there is no clear distinction between the two. I mean if you want to be petty and trivial about it, one could always say that Hatton has 5 more wins than Mayweather, therefore Hatton has the better record. LOL The bottom line is that all the padding ends at fight time, and it looks like it's going to be very interesting. After that fight, I'll give credit where credit is due.

No I think Floyd has a better record than Hatton on balance. He's been in with the bigger name opponents, and overall he has been in with better fighters. Some people have used this fact to assert that Hatton's record is padded with nobodies. Which also is not true. Hatton has had a record filled with solid opposition and some really really good fighters. Just not as many really good fighters as Mayweather.

[Wiley Hyena]

No I think Floyd has a better record than Hatton on balance. He's been in with the bigger name opponents, and overall he has been in with better fighters. Some people have used this fact to assert that Hatton's record is padded with nobodies. Which also is not true. Hatton has had a record filled with solid opposition and some really really good fighters. Just not as many really good fighters as Mayweather.

You are entitled to your opinion, of course. I just don't see a clear distinction between the two records for the reasons I've stated in this thread.

[squealpiggy]

You are entitled to your opinion, of course. I just don't see a clear distinction between the two records for the reasons I've stated in this thread.

Prior to fighting Kostya Tszyu Hatton had only fought one guy rated top ten in the world at his weight (Ben Tackie rated ninth). Hatton simply couldn't get the opponents, several of them fell through for various reasons (including Vivian Harris and Sharmba Mitchell). Since Kostya Tszyu every single one of Hatton's opponents have been rated top ten in their respective weightclass (excepting possibly Juan Urango, though I think he was ranked based on his title win over Rabah) so things have changed in the last two years, but you have to remember that Floyd won his first world title before Hatton had won his first Area belt.

[Addison]

NO, I just have two good eyes!!!

NO, you're just a Mayweather FAN.


Tell me.. Which "one big shot" was it?

The KNOCKDOWN or the punch that HURT Mayweather and sent him reeling to the ropes?

Or was it the other 2 dozen or so CLEAN shots he took to the ****ing face?

[Wiley Hyena]

Prior to fighting Kostya Tszyu Hatton had only fought one guy rated top ten in the world at his weight (Ben Tackie rated ninth). Hatton simply couldn't get the opponents, several of them fell through for various reasons (including Vivian Harris and Sharmba Mitchell). Since Kostya Tszyu every single one of Hatton's opponents have been rated top ten in their respective weightclass (excepting possibly Juan Urango, though I think he was ranked based on his title win over Rabah) so things have changed in the last two years, but you have to remember that Floyd won his first world title before Hatton had won his first Area belt.

Understood Sq.P. But, to me Tszyu was a great fighter. That's my opinion. And, I don't put much stock in Judah, Manfredy, Gatti, and a few of the others that Floyd has fought. Some hold those fighters in high esteem. I do not. I'm looking at which fighter has tested himself against the better competition, not necessarily averaged overall, but just the best. IMO Tszyu/Castillo hold up just as well as any of the top two Floyd has fought. I just don't see a clear distinction, so I don't buy the argument. This is another reason why I give Hatton a legitimate chance.