Mayweather & Hatton: Adversity Means Very Little

[Addison]

Opinion or not, Floyd blocked every other punch that Judah threw in that "I'm going to close the show and knock this dude out." flurry. Judah found a hole in the first line of Mayweather's defense, but couldn't get past the second. I think it is generally true that that shot didn't do a whole lot to diminish what people thought of Floyd.

Mayweather handled himself beautifully when he got hurt.

Agreed.


But we were talking about the first 4 rounds..

Mayweather was looking like a ****ing FOOL in there.

[MJ406]

LOOK at the records

you don't see a clear distinction between Mayweather and Hatton's records? maybe you should look a bit closer

"Tszyu/Castillo hold up just as well as any of the top two Floyd has fought" .. that statement is totally true .. until you bring up Castillo

REALLY? the Tszyu part of that I buy easily (Kostya is Hatton's best win against best opposition) .. but your holding the Castillo win way too highly.

you can't even name 6 above average opponents Ricky has faced ... outside of Tszyu (who was out of his prime), Collazo, Castillo (see Kostya), Tackie, Phillips ... and that isn't even 6 names .. not to mention Phillips was 39, and Tackie was solid, but just a contender, never "best of the best"

*I read the part about padded records and Gatti .. but look at the other side of it ... Ricky Hatton fought ****ing Michael Stewart from the Contender season 2 in a title eliminator ... how is that not padding your record?

[SkillspayBills]

Understood Sq.P. But, to me Tszyu was a great fighter. That's my opinion. And, I don't put much stock in Judah, Manfredy, Gatti, and a few of the others that Floyd has fought. Some hold those fighters in high esteem. I do not. I'm looking at which fighter has tested himself against the better competition, not necessarily averaged overall, but just the best. IMO Tszyu/Castillo hold up just as well as any of the top two Floyd has fought. I just don't see a clear distinction, so I don't buy the argument. This is another reason why I give Hatton a legitimate chance.

You do realize Floyd fought a prime Cas TWICE years before Hatton did right, because that seems to be a tad oblivious to you. You are judging a person'a resume based on two fights. If that is the case don't say "I can't tell who's resume is better" a resume is a COMPLETE list of who a fighter has fought and if you compare this COMPLETE list you will see Mayweathers competition by far outclasses Hatton. You could say Hattons biggest wins are up to par with Mayweather's but his resume does not match, although I do respect that you believe they match I think you are misinterpreting the word resume.

[sterling]

Wow Seeing That Right Now I Can See Hatton Doesnt Have Much Of A Chance But Anything Can Happen In Boxing I Didnt Know Mayweather Had A Chin Rofl.

[Fox McCloud]

Mayweather handled himself beautifully when he got hurt.

Agreed.


But we were talking about the first 4 rounds..

Mayweather was looking like a ****ing FOOL in there.

He did look like he was getting outclassed certainly. After the fight, Floyd said he was just waiting for Judah to gas out... may have been bull****, but it worked out anyway. Hard to tell if Floyd really was letting that happen or not.

EDIT: And please don't say that the Judah "suppose knockdown" had Floyd hurt. He got knocked down, and Steele ****ed up in not calling it that. He was not hurt, it was a glove grazing on the canvas, nothing more. I didn't see Floyd even remotely stunned except for the straight left at the beginning of the 4th round.

[Wiley Hyena]

you don't see a clear distinction between Mayweather and Hatton's records? maybe you should look a bit closer

"Tszyu/Castillo hold up just as well as any of the top two Floyd has fought" .. that statement is totally true .. until you bring up Castillo

REALLY? the Tszyu part of that I buy easily (Kostya is Hatton's best win against best opposition) .. but your holding the Castillo win way too highly.

you can't even name 6 above average opponents Ricky has faced ... outside of Tszyu (who was out of his prime), Collazo, Castillo (see Kostya), Tackie, Phillips ... and that isn't even 6 names .. not to mention Phillips was 39, and Tackie was solid, but just a contender, never "best of the best"

*I read the part about padded records and Gatti .. but look at the other side of it ... Ricky Hatton fought ****ing Michael Stewart from the Contender season 2 in a title eliminator ... how is that not padding your record?

MJ, I never said Hatton's record was not padded. IF you want to argue with me, you should at least understand what I've stated.

[Addison]

He did look like he was getting outclassed certainly. After the fight, Floyd said he was just waiting for Judah to gas out... may have been bull****, but it worked out anyway. Hard to tell if Floyd really was letting that happen or not.

EDIT: And please don't say that the Judah "suppose knockdown" had Floyd hurt. He got knocked down, and Steele ****ed up in not calling it that. He was not hurt, it was a glove grazing on the canvas, nothing more. I didn't see Floyd even remotely stunned except for the straight left at the beginning of the 4th round.

In reference to that conversation the fuss was made over how Mayweather looked in those first 4 rounds. Not whether he was hurt.

The guy said the only thing bad for Mayweather was the Judah brick shot.

He was trying to downplay the humiliation.

He was wrong.

[MJ406]

MJ, I never said Hatton's record was not padded. IF you want to argue with me, you should at least understand what I've stated.

well I've heard you state over and over again about Tzyuo and Castillo hold up just as well as any of the top two Floyd has fought

and that isn't even close to being accurate

[Wiley Hyena]

You do realize Floyd fought a prime Cas TWICE years before Hatton did right, because that seems to be a tad oblivious to you. You are judging a person'a resume based on two fights. If that is the case don't say "I can't tell who's resume is better" a resume is a COMPLETE list of who a fighter has fought and if you compare this COMPLETE list you will see Mayweathers competition by far outclasses Hatton. You could say Hattons biggest wins are up to par with Mayweather's but his resume does not match, although I do respect that you believe they match I think you are misinterpreting the word resume.

Well, my analysis is based upon who has fought the stiffest competition. I'm not running some opinionated average of all opponents, which would be a ridiculous exercise anyway. IMO the toughest opponent Floyd has faced is De LaHoya. The toughest opponent Hatton has faced is Tszyu. Both were aged champions but still formidable. The best common opponent Hatton and Floyd faced was Castillo. Castillo lost to both men, although many people thought Floyd lost his first fight against Castillo. I simply don't believe that De LaHoya would be a lock to beat Tszyu. I think Tszyu was a great fighter. You may disagree. For these reasons, however, I don't buy the argument that Floyd's record is necessarily better than Hatton's. I don't see a clear distinction between the two. I see people running down Hatton's accomplishments, the same way you see people who run down Floyd's. Sour g****s. I mean if people want to get petty about it, one could always say that Hatton's record is better because he's got 5 more wins than Floyd does. Now, that's a fact that cannot be debated! LOL

[Wiley Hyena]

well I've heard you state over and over again about Tzyuo and Castillo hold up just as well as any of the top two Floyd has fought

and that isn't even close to being accurate

IN my opinion, it is accurate.