Mayweather a legend?

[Technical_Skill]

That is debateable if Hopkins is a legend. Maybe because of his record defences and his ancient age.

Partially agree with you, i think he is a legend in the loosley-termed use of the word.

But ill tell ya one thing, if PBF aint a legend, than im not too sure about Hopkins.


William Joppy twice?...forgot to mention that one as well. lol
Oh and he flat out refused to fight Toney also.

[GunStar]

If Mayweather retires today of course he will be considered a legend, that is if you know anything about the sport of boxing.

[squealpiggy]

Legends are made outside the ring as well as inside the ring, hence De La Hoya is not exactly legendary while Roberto Duran is. I'll put it another way, here's an example of a mediocre fghter who became a legend despite his lack of ring prowess: James Braddock. Why is he a legend while Tommy Loughran isn't? Because of the unlikely circumstances of his heavyweight championship win against Baer.

I dont wanna talk about Ray Robinson, people are quick to talk about a guy they never saw fight.

There's a ton of resources from which you can obtain Robinson fights. I've seen Ray Robinson fight as much as I've seen Floyd Mayweather fight, having never seen Mayweather or Robinson fight live. It's not like we're talking about Jim Corbett or anything.

Robert Allen 3 times, Howard Eastman, Blown Up Tito, Blown up De La Hoya, are you sure he deserves to be in there instead of PBF?

A good record doesn't make you a legendary fighter. To be a legend you have to achieve a status which trancends ability, and Hopkins has done so by coming out of prison to have a successful professional boxing career. There were some stiffs in his 20 title defences but after he lost he goes up two weights and beats the man there. That's the stuff that legends are made of. Beating everyone because you're a better boxer doesn't make you a legend. Beating better men despite your disadvantages does. In a way Floyd's ability hampers him from being a legend. Legends are built around the idea of courage in the face of failure, success against the odds, redemption and sacrifice. Legends are not built from being better than anyone else.

[Guest]

Is a 4 weight champ because he was somehow weighing 120+ pounds in his younger days and nowadays happens to weigh 147, so was able to win that many belts in different weights.
If Ricky Hatton was able to tip the scales at 130 in his earlier days i am sure he could win belts at the weight as well. It just so happens his weight i guess has been rather constant. PBFs opponents havent been legendary and that is the bottom line. I am not a hater but he aint a legend.

Wow, you are an idiot. If Hatton could make 130, he either would be so drained that he would be absolute **** at the weight or he wouldn't be able to handle moving up more than one weight class. The thing is Hatton doesn't use skill to win. He uses size and activity. That doesn't get you very far when you move up and you no longer have the size advantage. That's why he couldn't even handle moving up to welterweight. Floyd is one of the most skilled fighters of all time, that's why he can constantly move up in weight and keep winning...

[Technical_Skill]

Legends are made outside the ring as well as inside the ring, hence De La Hoya is not exactly legendary while Roberto Duran is. I'll put it another way, here's an example of a mediocre fghter who became a legend despite his lack of ring prowess: James Braddock. Why is he a legend while Tommy Loughran isn't? Because of the unlikely circumstances of his heavyweight championship win against Baer.



There's a ton of resources from which you can obtain Robinson fights. I've seen Ray Robinson fight as much as I've seen Floyd Mayweather fight, having never seen Mayweather or Robinson fight live. It's not like we're talking about Jim Corbett or anything.



A good record doesn't make you a legendary fighter. To be a legend you have to achieve a status which trancends ability, and Hopkins has done so by coming out of prison to have a successful professional boxing career. There were some stiffs in his 20 title defences but after he lost he goes up two weights and beats the man there. That's the stuff that legends are made of. Beating everyone because you're a better boxer doesn't make you a legend. Beating better men despite your disadvantages does. In a way Floyd's ability hampers him from being a legend. Legends are built around the idea of courage in the face of failure, success against the odds, redemption and sacrifice. Legends are not built from being better than anyone else.

Nooo, hold on here, i think you know what you are talking about but you are making this alot more complicated than it is.

No way can you tell me De La Hoya aint a legend, he is a 6 six weight world champ man (obviously sturm beat him lol), fought nearly everyone there was to fight and never ducked nobody. That's it, simple maths.

Boxing is a sport not a popularity contest, Skills pay the bills, PBF skills are legendary, thus why he is a legendary fighter.

See my above posts for who PBF fought, when, and who refuses to fight him, i wont go into all that again.

Do you know Floyd? cos the way people talk about his actions outside the ring its like they in bed with him or summin.

Ask yourself, if he is such an ******* and not humble, why does he never take an opponent lighty and always trains just as hard for a Michell fight, as he would be for Judah or DLH? that shows a level of respect.

You dont have to lose and come back to be a legend, thats a myth, people are clearly uncomfortable with the fact PBF aint lost, just they were with RJJ.

What happens outside the ring, is not as important as what goes on in the ring.

''Legends are not built on being better than anyone else'' - Just re-read that comment, cos its not correct.

and anyone who knows about Ali, knows he was a racist, a pawn of the nation of islam, a wife beater and a womaniser. Not to mention his treatment of Joe Frazier (he wasnt joking) Is he still a legend in your eyes?

[Guest]

Hatton probably had the ability but with Warren he wouldn't have had a real title shot until his 35th fight so I can't see it...

Floyd is a legend in his own mind but when you look at the truly legendary fighters it has far less to do with ability than it does to do with legendary deeds. For example Pernell Whittaker was a far better fighter than Arturo Gatti, but who has legendary status? De La Hoya isn't a legend, but Bernard Hopkins is, and it is because of his criminal past, his redemption through boxing, his coming off double losses to move up to Lt Heavy and take on the linear champ, not because he is the most skilled. SUgar Ray Robinson is widely regarded as the best boxer of all time but that's not the thing that makes him a legend. His outspoken personality, his desire to be known as the man, his association with the boom and bust of Harlem, his association with Joe Luois and Muhammed Ali, those are the things that make him a legend, and that's why Floyd won't be one: Hanging around with rappers and pretending to be gangsta just isn't that extraordinary, so while inside the ring he is head and shoulders above anyone in terms of skill, outside the ring he just doesn't hold the interest.

Arturo Gatti is a legend, yet he probably won't make it into the Hall of Fame?

Sugar Ray Robinson was just as hated in his time as Mayweather is now. Everyone wanted to see him lose because he was so damn good. People didn't really appreciate Robinson until he retired. Same thing will probably happen with Mayweather...

[The Troll]

I'd say that he is just for the fact that I think after he retires he will be one of those guys people still talk about what he did and watch all of his old fights because at times when he's dominating and totally on his game he undeniably is something above the ordinary and something unique as well.

[The Troll]

For the uniqueness more than anything.

[squealpiggy]

Boxing is a sport not a popularity contest, Skills pay the bills, PBF skills are legendary, thus why he is a legendary fighter.

Then explain why Jim Braddock has the legendary status he does now...

[Technical_Skill]

Then explain why Jim Braddock has the legendary status he does now...

Is it not possible that Jim Braddock is an exception to the rule?

And Jim Braddock was World Heavyweight Champ, he became Legendary based on an achievement INSIDE the ring, but i know what u mean.


And by the way, my critiera for Legendary status may differ from others no?