Mayweather a legend?

[hugh grant]

Is a 4 weight champ because he was somehow weighing 120+ pounds in his younger days and nowadays happens to weigh 147, so was able to win that many belts in different weights.
If Ricky Hatton was able to tip the scales at 130 in his earlier days i am sure he could win belts at the weight as well. It just so happens his weight i guess has been rather constant. PBFs opponents havent been legendary and that is the bottom line. I am not a hater but he aint a legend.

[Technical_Skill]

Is a 4 weight champ because he was somehow weighing 120+ pounds in his younger days and nowadays happens to weigh 147, so was able to win that many belts in different weights.
If Ricky Hatton was able to tip the scales at 130 in his earlier days i am sure he could win belts at the weight as well. It just so happens his weight i guess has been rather constant. PBFs opponents havent been legendary and that is the bottom line. I am not a hater but he aint a legend.

Lol, please,

The only reason he is a 4 weight WC is cos 'he was somehow weight 120+ pounds in his earlier days'

Yes mate, it had nothing to do with skill or anything, cos winning belts in someone elses divisions is easy, especially when you take on a prime castillo in your 1st fight at 135.

lol.

And as for Hatton, im from London/Surrey (so i dont wana hear about being a baised 'yank') and i dont want this to degerate into another Hatton-PBF thing.

But he idea of Hatton being a 4 weight world champion is totally illogical, seeing as in the lead up to the Collazo fight he was blabbing on about how much powerful he felt at 147, same for that Billy Graham Cheerleader guy also.

Then he got schooled, almost knocked out, and went back down to 140, this from a guy who weighs 180+ outside of the ring (i saw him on Johnathan Ross, he had about 4 chins lol)

Thus no logic can honestly see Ricky Hatton Being anywhere near a 4 weight world champ, ever.

[hugh grant]

Well he is a 2 weight champ already. I am sure if Hatton in his earlier days was able to tip the scales at 135lbs he could be a 3 weight champ now as well. All im saying it is about who you have fought at the end of the day. Castillo is his best opponent. PBF done well to beat him in his first fight. Some others have beaten Castillo as well. So was Castillo overrated? Maybe....maybe not.

[Technical_Skill]

Well he is a 2 weight champ already. I am sure if Hatton in his earlier days was able to tip the scales at 135lbs he could be a 3 weight champ now as well. All im saying it is about who you have fought at the end of the day. Castillo is his best opponent. PBF done well to beat him in his first fight. Some others have beaten Castillo as well. So was Castillo overrated? Maybe....maybe not.

Here's where i agree with you, who boxers fight is a major factor in determining wether they are legends or not.

But

What people dont understand is that when top fighters dont wanna fight you, then problems start to happen.

Look at Roy Jones, Hopkins STILL wont get in the ring with him, cos he knows the outcome, and Calzaghe was never gonna fight Roy Jones cos he knew the outcome.

Go on you tube and watch James Toney Call out Benn and Eubank to thier faces (via satilite link) and watch those two **** their pants and stay in silence (i'll put that up for you if you want)

And still you get people who says Jones avioded all top fighters and that him and toney avioded benn and eubank, bull****.

Same for PBF, certain fighters dont wanna fight him yet, they sitting at home fingers-crossed for someone to expose a major flaw before they do, one minute Moesley has toothache and he cant fight, next min he calling out PBF when he fighting DLH?

lol.


And speaking of resumes: Hatton became a 2-weight world champ against....Maussa. Enough Said. (I dont care if he beat Vivian harris, Oktay Urkal beat harris but got robbed in the 1st fight lol)

[squealpiggy]

Hatton probably had the ability but with Warren he wouldn't have had a real title shot until his 35th fight so I can't see it...

Floyd is a legend in his own mind but when you look at the truly legendary fighters it has far less to do with ability than it does to do with legendary deeds. For example Pernell Whittaker was a far better fighter than Arturo Gatti, but who has legendary status? De La Hoya isn't a legend, but Bernard Hopkins is, and it is because of his criminal past, his redemption through boxing, his coming off double losses to move up to Lt Heavy and take on the linear champ, not because he is the most skilled. SUgar Ray Robinson is widely regarded as the best boxer of all time but that's not the thing that makes him a legend. His outspoken personality, his desire to be known as the man, his association with the boom and bust of Harlem, his association with Joe Luois and Muhammed Ali, those are the things that make him a legend, and that's why Floyd won't be one: Hanging around with rappers and pretending to be gangsta just isn't that extraordinary, so while inside the ring he is head and shoulders above anyone in terms of skill, outside the ring he just doesn't hold the interest.

[squealpiggy]

And speaking of resumes: Hatton became a 2-weight world champ against....Maussa. Enough Said.

That was Collazo. Maussa held a belt at 140.

[Technical_Skill]

That was Collazo. Maussa held a belt at 140.

Apologies, that was his second TITLE at 140? then, got confused as i posting in multiple threads Lmao.

Besides, you get the point, and we know what happened in the Collazo fight.

And to get back to the point, Logically, Mayweather is a legend imo.

[Technical_Skill]

Hatton probably had the ability but with Warren he wouldn't have had a real title shot until his 35th fight so I can't see it...

Floyd is a legend in his own mind but when you look at the truly legendary fighters it has far less to do with ability than it does to do with legendary deeds. For example Pernell Whittaker was a far better fighter than Arturo Gatti, but who has legendary status? De La Hoya isn't a legend, but Bernard Hopkins is, and it is because of his criminal past, his redemption through boxing, his coming off double losses to move up to Lt Heavy and take on the linear champ, not because he is the most skilled. SUgar Ray Robinson is widely regarded as the best boxer of all time but that's not the thing that makes him a legend. His outspoken personality, his desire to be known as the man, his association with the boom and bust of Harlem, his association with Joe Luois and Muhammed Ali, those are the things that make him a legend, and that's why Floyd won't be one: Hanging around with rappers and pretending to be gangsta just isn't that extraordinary, so while inside the ring he is head and shoulders above anyone in terms of skill, outside the ring he just doesn't hold the interest.

Oh my gosh! i was about to leave for the other thread when i saw this... lol

De La Hoya Not a legend?

Personality is more a factor than skill in deciding legendary status?

Floyd wont be a legend?

LMAO

come on man, you dont like PBF, and dont tell me you do cos i seen your posts, this is clouding your judgement.

As far as Ali goes, Personality or not....He is a legend, for obviously reasons of who and when he fought.

I dont wanna talk about Ray Robinson, people are quick to talk about a guy they never saw fight.

I ask you again, look at Floyd's Resume then Hopkins, then tell me how Hopkins is a legend and Floyd aint.

Robert Allen 3 times, Howard Eastman, Blown Up Tito, Blown up De La Hoya, are you sure he deserves to be in there instead of PBF?

[hugh grant]

That is debateable if Hopkins is a legend. Maybe because of his record defences and his ancient age.

[Guest]

Legends are Born Of Courage and Heroisim
Even in defeat....

Now ask yourself... Does that sound Like Floyd Mayweather???

By your logic, Sugar Ray Robinson is not a legend since he quit on his stool against Joey Maxim...

By your logic, Roberto Duran is not a legend for quitting against Sugar Ray Leonard...