How Come Miguel Cotto Is Never On A "P4P" List?

[DiegoFuego]

Actually he is in the RING p4p list too now, in at 10

I had him in the top 8 after the Quintana fight and everyone on here got mad at me. Now less than 2 months later (and zero fights later for Cotto) everyone suddenly agrees with me? Wack

[Sir_Jose]

Stick to the lounge and NBA thread, you're out of your element.

in 28 fights you can't name a fighter who's faced the kind of opposition he has...outside of a washed up Vargas and other flash in the pan stars.

*Cracks knuckles*

Ok Miguel Cotto was suppossed to be the next big thing and he came out of the 2000 Olympic class and signed with Top Rank and Bob Arum, now the thing is Arum had also singed the 2 best fighters from the 1996 and 1992 Olympic classes DLH and Floyd Mayweather.

Floyd 28 fights in had already 2 LEGIT WORLD TITLES not belts but he was reconized as hands down the man in his divisions

28 fights in Floyd had already fought
Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Goyo Vargas
Emanuel Augustus
Diego Corrales
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo

Castillo, Corrales, Hernandez and Chavez would all go on to win belts after there fights with Floyd, but yeah Miguel has fought the much better competion 28 fights in.

DLH 28 fights in had already fought and beaten
John John Molina
Rafeal Ruelas
Genaro Hernandez
Jesse James Leija
Miguel Angel Gonzlez
Pernell Whitaker

and DLH by this time was already considered a 3 TIME LEGIT WORLD CHAMPION

but uh yeah Miguel has beaten up Paul Malignaggi so I mean you know it kind of evens out, I can see how you see it as the same if not better for Miguel.

[Run]

*Cracks knuckles*

Ok Miguel Cotto was suppossed to be the next big thing and he came out of the 2000 Olympic class and signed with Top Rank and Bob Arum, now the thing is Arum had also singed the 2 best fighters from the 1996 and 1992 Olympic classes DLH and Floyd Mayweather.

Floyd 28 fights in had already 2 LEGIT WORLD TITLES not belts but he was reconized as hands down the man in his divisions

28 fights in Floyd had already fought
Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Goyo Vargas
Emanuel Augustus
Diego Corrales
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo

Castillo, Corrales, Hernandez and Chavez would all go on to win belts after there fights with Floyd, but yeah Miguel has fought the much better competion 28 fights in.

DLH 28 fights in had already fought and beaten
John John Molina
Rafeal Ruelas
Genaro Hernandez
Jesse James Leija
Miguel Angel Gonzlez
Pernell Whitaker

and DLH by this time was already considered a 3 TIME LEGIT WORLD CHAMPION

but uh yeah Miguel has beaten up Paul Malignaggi so I mean you know it kind of evens out, I can see how you see it as the same if not better for Miguel.

Wow so I suppose you missed the part where I omitted Floyd....and I was never comparing the two P4P...that's something you're assuming. I wasn't aware DLH was a part of this discussion....because his credentials were never in question.

Cotto has beaten more than enough solid guys up untill this point in his career.

He represented PR in the Olympics and lost to Abdulaev. He erased that loss by knocking him out as a pro, the same as he did against Kelson Pinto....another tough up and comer. Ceballos, Ndou, Sosa all former title challengers. Cotto was the first person to stop former Champ Corley and dropped him five times to refresh your memory......as well as the first person to stop Ray Olivera.

The first time Cotto moved up to Welter...he faced Carlos Quintana and put on an excellent display.

How about we talk about the level of opposition Floyd has faced over the last two years in comparison to Cotto......

I suppose you're also forgetting Floyd has been a pro for 11 years.....Cotto on 6, Cheif.



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[Del Coqui]

I stopped reading right there.

Just shoot yourself and get it over with.

If Cotto beats Tony, will he make your p4p list?

[Run]

Opposition over the past 2 years:

Floyd:

Henry Bruseles
Arturo Gatti
Sharmba Mitchell
Zab Judah
Carlos Baldomir

Cotto:

Victoriano Sosa
Lovemore Ndou
Kelson Pinto
Randall Bailey
Chop Chop Corley
Muhammed Abdulaev
Ricardo Torres
Gianluca Branco
Paul Malignaggi
Carlos Quintana


Lmfao....and if you include him fighting Maussa and knocking him out at the end of 2003....you'd have More than twice the number of fights against even more solid opposition.

****ing no contest.



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[Del Coqui]

Wow so I suppose you missed the part where I omitted Floyd....and I was never comparing the two P4P...that's something you're assuming. I wasn't aware DLH was a part of this discussion....because his credentials were never in question.

Cotto has beaten more than enough solid guys up untill this point in his career.

He represented PR in the Olympics and lost to Abdulaev. He erased that loss by knocking him out as a pro, the same as he did against Kelson Pinto....another tough up and comer. Ceballos, Ndou, Sosa all former title challengers. Cotto was the first person to stop former Champ Corley and dropped him five times to refresh your memory......as well as the first person to stop Ray Olivera.

The first time Cotto moved up to Welter...he faced Carlos Quintana and put on an excellent display.

How about we talk about the level of opposition Floyd has faced over the last two years in comparison to Cotto......

I suppose you're also forgetting Floyd has been a pro for 11 years.....Cotto on 6, Cheif.

I think he only dropped Chop chop twice and he took a knee also, the one to stop Olivera was Hatton.

[Sir_Jose]

Wow so I suppose you missed the part where I omitted Floyd....and I was never comparing the two P4P...that's something you're assuming. I wasn't aware DLH was a part of this discussion....because his credentials were never in question.

Cotto has beaten more than enough solid guys up untill this point in his career.

He represented PR in the Olympics and lost to Abdulaev. He erased that loss by knocking him out as a pro, the same as he did against Kelson Pinto....another tough up and comer. Ceballos, Ndou, Sosa all former title challengers. Cotto was the first person to stop former Champ Corley and dropped him five times to refresh your memory......as well as the first person to stop Ray Olivera.

The first time Cotto moved up to Welter...he faced Carlos Quintana and put on an excellent display.

How about we talk about the level of opposition Floyd has faced over the last two years in comparison to Cotto......

I suppose you're also forgetting Floyd has been a pro for 11 years.....Cotto on 6, Cheif.

Last I checked you wanted to know who else 28 fights in had faced the kind of comp Cotto has and I pointed out to you the 2 big stars from the previous Olympic classes had owned him badly.

I took that from 28 fights in guy so it doesn't really matter what Floyd had done after those 28 fights cause thats what he did 28 fights in...get it?

[Run]

I think he only dropped Chop chop twice and he took a knee also, the one to stop Olivera was Hatton.

That's Right. I was confusing him with Ray Martinez.



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[Sir_Jose]

Opposition over the past 2 years:

Floyd:

Henry Bruseles
Arturo Gatti
Sharmba Mitchell
Zab Judah
Carlos Baldomir

Cotto:

Victoriano Sosa
Lovemore Ndou
Kelson Pinto
Randall Bailey
Chop Chop Corley
Muhammed Abdulaev
Ricardo Torres
Gianluca Branco
Paul Malignaggi
Carlos Quintana


Lmfao....and if you include him fighting Maussa and knocking him out at the end of 2003....you'd have More than twice the number of fights against even more solid opposition.

****ing no contest.

hate to break it you, but um...those guys are'nt really that good. Gianluca Branco? are you kidding me? Kelson Pinto? Lovemore Ndou? I mean who has any of these guys actually beaten in there career to be considered "Good"there is a big difference bettween good and a durable guy.

same with Magliwhatever****, who has he actually beaten?

didn't ChopChop rock the **** out of him? getting rocked by a non power punching cross dresser is not a good thing.

and didn't he struggle badly with Torres?

Zab and Baldomir are 10x the fighters than any guy on that list you mentioned.

[Run]

hate to break it you, but um...those guys are'nt really that good. Gianluca Branco? are you kidding me? Kelson Pinto? Lovemore Ndou? I mean who has any of these guys actually beaten in there career to be considered "Good"there is a big difference bettween good and a durable guy.

same with Magliwhatever****, who has he actually beaten?

didn't ChopChop rock the **** out of him? getting rocked by a non power punching cross dresser is not a good thing.

and didn't he struggle badly with Torres?

Zab and Baldomir are 10x the fighters than any guy on that list you mentioned.

If by "Struggle badly" you mean finish them both in less than 7 rounds...I guess you could make the case for that.

Malignaggi was undefeated and many boxing experts picked him to beat Cotto using his boxing skill. Manny Steward was one of them

Carlos Baldomir? Lol the guy from Argentina with like 12 losses? who did he beat? Oh that's right....a washed up Gatti as well as unfocused Judah. Dont give me that linear Welterweight bull**** arguement because it's just sad.

Pinto was a highly touted prospect that beat Cotto in the Olympics like I stated. It was a highly anticipated matchup because of this....and Cotto shined just like he did against Abdulaev. I don't remember Floyd avenging his loss to that Russian douchebag or whatever.

You know what else is funny.....you left off with the "Baldomir and Judah are 10x better than those guys" because it sounds catchy. I suppose you're forgetting Mitchell, Bruseles and Gatti right?

Only a total moron could make the case that a 30 something year old has been club fighter, a nobody from Argentina, and a washed up slickster who should have never fought at 147 to begin with......are better than Olympians and undefeated prospects.



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