How Come Miguel Cotto Is Never On A "P4P" List?

[Run]

I dont think it is, but Run's argument goes far beyond that.
He is claiming he has beat better opposition than the number 1 p4p fighter in the game of late.

Only a total moron would argue that Floyd has done more in the last 2 years.

Plus....I don't take anything you type seriously on this subject. When it comes to Floyd, you're a subjective nuthugger. That's been established.



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[Run]

So you think Cosme Rivera is a great fighter too, since he was robbed of a win over Julio right after the Quintana fight?

So yeah, that's the case where a guy is coming off a hard loss. You're actually comparing the post Quintana Julio to the Julio riding the emotional undefeated high going into their fight? get real jr.

You talk so much **** about Baldomir, while ignoring the fact that Quintana has never beaten a fighter as good as Baldomir. You can call it a fluke or whatever, but a win is a win and Baldomir beat Judah. Judah is better than Quintana and Julio combined.

Julio is a better fighter than Baldomir. Carlos is a nobody, who like I have to repeat won a decision over an unfocused Judah. I'm supposed to forget about all the losses to cab drivers in Argentina? The only reason you think he's a good fighter is because Floyd beat him. That means he's the best.

Let's make Paul Williams P4P then since he beat Walter Matthyse who was knocking out bums in Argentina even more impressively than Torres. Matthyse had never been past 4 rounds until he fought Williams.

LOL Williams has 1 victory over Matthysse and 1 victory over Mitchell. I'd like to see you delve and find better victories or even ones that compare to Cotto. Now you're just reaching because only a braindead moron could compare Williams pro record to Miguel Cotto's.

How about we throw Valero in the #1 spot since he has only been past the first round twice in his career?

I should ask you a similar question....because you're the one who is so high on a guy who made his career fighting bums in Argentina.

KOs don't mean ****. It's all about who you beat and Torres is lucky Arnaoutis has no killer instinct or he wouldn't have a single notable win...

Don't mean ****? I think they mean more than winning on technical decisions against guys who are 3-78-5 on average...and never fought out of their home country....in fact. What about the losses Baldomir has?

The amateurs and pros are so different, that avenging those losses is meaningless. The fact is Pinto is a fighter who will never even win a paper title in his career. He's a joke...

If the case of Amateur victories was meaningless....then nobody would ever have the right to point to accomplishments by people in the Olympics right? Hell let's just get rid of the entire system. Nobody will talk about how Lennox Lewis knocked Bowe out in the Amatuers....or how Pryor stopped Hearns.

Hush.

Gatti would beat any jr. welterweight on your list.

I won't even comment on that ******ity.

So in order to be P4P you have to fight prospects? Floyd should forget about DLH and go fight one of the Peterson brothers...

No...you have to fight actively against solid opposition. And why is Floyd going to fight the petersons when he's going to make big time money fighting Oscar? Now you're just typing **** to look cool.

How is a Mitchell win any less impressive than a win over Corley?

Once again....Mitchell was out of his initial weight class, he was washed up and struggling with a career deblitating injury. You even listing him as credible in counter to fresh prospects is ******ed.

If the resumes were flipflopped, you would be saying Cotto should be #1 P4P...

You're just an idiot that is typing what you want now. Nowhere in this thread did I say Cotto deserves to be ranked ahead of Floyd.

That's just the Floyd nuthuggerism in you jumping out.



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So yeah, that's the case where a guy is coming off a hard loss. You're actually comparing the post Quintana Julio to the Julio riding the emotional undefeated high going into their fight? get real jr.

What is the most significant win of Julio's career? He's just one of a number of Latino fighters who build up their records KOing bums in their home country and then don't do **** when they face real competition in the US. Quintana must be an elite fighter since Julio was lucky to get a single round off the great Carlos Quintana...

Julio is a better fighter than Baldomir. Carlos is a nobody, who like I have to repeat won a decision over an unfocused Judah. I'm supposed to forget about all the losses to cab drivers in Argentina? The only reason you think he's a good fighter is because Floyd beat him. That means he's the best.

Floyd beating his has nothing to do with my opinion. I don't think he's a great fighter at all, but I don't choose to dismiss his big win over Judah. Like I said, Judah is better than Julio and Quintana combined. He would school them on his worst night, especially Julio. Julio and Quintana have accomplished absolutely nothing through 30ish fights in their careers. What is Julio's biggest win? The robbery over Cosme Rivera? What's Quintana's biggest win? I can name a few fighters who have perfect records fighting bums in the midwest. Would you give Cotto props for beating them too?

LOL Williams has 1 victory over Matthysse and 1 victory over Mitchell. I'd like to see you delve and find better victories or even ones that compare to Cotto. Now you're just reaching because only a braindead moron could compare Williams pro record to Miguel Cotto's.

Didn't you just say earlier that it's not who you beat but how you beat them? Why are you changing your tune now? Paul Williams wins impressively. If it's about who you beat, Cotto's competition does not put him anywhere near the P4P list.

I should ask you a similar question....because you're the one who is so high on a guy who made his career fighting bums in Argentina.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not high on Matthyse, but you would give Cotto mad props if he had Matthyse on his ledger since he's the Argentinean version of Julio...

Don't mean ****? I think they mean more than winning on technical decisions against guys who are 3-78-5 on average...and never fought out of their home country....in fact. What about the losses Baldomir has?

A win is a win. Baldomir's last loss before Mayweather was like 10 years ago. If we're going to **** on fighters who lost to bums early in their careers, then Cotto beating Margarito will mean absolutely nothing since Margarito lost to bums 10 years ago too...

If the case of Amateur victories was meaningless....then nobody would ever have the right to point to accomplishments by people in the Olympics right? Hell let's just get rid of the entire system. Nobody will talk about how Lennox Lewis knocked Bowe out in the Amatuers....or how Pryor stopped Hearns.

If amateurs meant something, then Abdullaev and Pinto would have beaten Cotto again...

No...you have to fight actively against solid opposition. And why is Floyd going to fight the petersons when he's going to make big time money fighting Oscar? Now you're just typing **** to look cool.

Floyd's opposition is no worse than Cotto's, so I don't see your point. Beating Judah or Baldomir would be the most significant win in Cotto's career to date and that's a fact...

Once again....Mitchell was out of his initial weight class, he was washed up and struggling with a career deblitating injury. You even listing him as credible in counter to fresh prospects is ******ed.

I still don't see how beating up on a Corley who had just lost back-to-back fights to Mayweather and Judah means anything. Cotto was just feasting on leftovers...

You're just an idiot that is typing what you want now. Nowhere in this thread did I say Cotto deserves to be ranked ahead of Floyd.

That's just the Floyd nuthuggerism in you jumping out.

I didn't say that was your argument. I'm saying if the lists were switched, you would argue that Cotto should be #1. Cotto's best win is Corley, a fighter Judah toyed with. Think about it...

[Run]

What is the most significant win of Julio's career? He's just one of a number of Latino fighters who build up their records KOing bums in their home country and then don't do **** when they face real competition in the US. Quintana must be an elite fighter since Julio was lucky to get a single round off the great Carlos Quintana...

Julio is a prospect...genius. He's not been given all the chances at big fights because well....he's a prospect. He's was impressive in destroying Carlos Vilches and Hicklet Lau and as a two time National Champ...Julio deserved mention among the top prospects in the sport. ESPN Boxing named him prospect of the year...and like it's been stated he was highly touted. Quintana wrecking that train only reinforces how solid a fighter he is...and you can twist and turn the truth all you want.

Floyd beating his has nothing to do with my opinion. I don't think he's a great fighter at all, but I don't choose to dismiss his big win over Judah. Like I said, Judah is better than Julio and Quintana combined. He would school them on his worst night, especially Julio. Julio and Quintana have accomplished absolutely nothing through 30ish fights in their careers. What is Julio's biggest win? The robbery over Cosme Rivera? What's Quintana's biggest win? I can name a few fighters who have perfect records fighting bums in the midwest. Would you give Cotto props for beating them too?

So let me get this straight......Judah would school Quintana and Julio on his worst night but he can't beat Carlos "Tata" Baldomir in arguably his worst outing as a professional? LMFAO the same Carlos Baldomir that has 12 losses on his record is the exception right? because a once was supposed future star and the guy who de railed him don't deserve mention among a complete journeyman from Argentina? Hang Yourself.

Didn't you just say earlier that it's not who you beat but how you beat them? Why are you changing your tune now? Paul Williams wins impressively. If it's about who you beat, Cotto's competition does not put him anywhere near the P4P list.

Impressively is a matter of opinion. Williams has no defense and his defense is his offense throwing straight punches over and over. But nonetheless I don't know how you're comparing Williams 2 recent wins to Cotto's resume over the past 2 years. He's fought five times as many fighters and ones of better caliber....you're just reaching for ****.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not high on Matthyse, but you would give Cotto mad props if he had Matthyse on his ledger since he's the Argentinean version of Julio...

I was talking about Baldomir. But if you're going to give Williams the due credit for his ONE victory over Mathysse you'd have to do so for the numerous victories Cotto has over homers.

A win is a win. Baldomir's last loss before Mayweather was like 10 years ago. If we're going to **** on fighters who lost to bums early in their careers, then Cotto beating Margarito will mean absolutely nothing since Margarito lost to bums 10 years ago too...

Oh that's totally absurd. Baldomir has lost 12 times.....Tony 4. Sure it's a legitimate case where a guy is learning through time but jesus christ......having 12 losses automatically puts you in journeyman status like a Ward and Gatti. And don't bring this Augustus **** up....because he's been robbed numerous times.

If amateurs meant something, then Abdullaev and Pinto would have beaten Cotto again...

The Amateurs mean more to boxing than they do to you, obviously.

Floyd's opposition is no worse than Cotto's, so I don't see your point. Beating Judah or Baldomir would be the most significant win in Cotto's career to date and that's a fact...

No worse? how about half. He's fought five times in the past two years....whereas Cotto has fought 11 and his next two are slated. Sure Floyd is going to lose to Oscar and it's great he's taking that fight but you can't compare what he's done to what Cotto has done in the past two years. You can't compare something that doesn't exist to something that does.

I still don't see how beating up on a Corley who had just lost back-to-back fights to Mayweather and Judah means anything. Cotto was just feasting on leftovers...

Just to refresh your memory...he stopped them. Floyd and Judah took him the distance and looked unimpressive in doing it.

I didn't say that was your argument. I'm saying if the lists were switched, you would argue that Cotto should be #1. Cotto's best win is Corley, a fighter Judah toyed with. Think about it...

Toyed with sure, Unimpressive against yes. Like it's been stated Cotto dropped Corley 5 times and made him look for a way to quit. That's more impressive than going the distance with him while talking to your corner every other five seconds.



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[Caca]

cuz he aint fought a P4Per yet. Come with some correct ****, don't start no bull**** ass threads like this. He's still green.

[The Surgeon]

cuz he aint fought a P4Per yet. Come with some correct ****, don't start no bull**** ass threads like this. He's still green.

Where duz it say u gotta beat a pond for pounder to get in?

[OptimusWolf]

I don't have Cotto in quite yet but a win over margarito would put him at 5-7 in my p4p list of little practical use to anyone.

[Caca]

Cotto's chin is amazing IMO. He can get phased quite quickly, it seems, but trying to get him out of there after that initial stunning is another matter entirely. I can't believe the sheer amount of flush shots he took off Torres without going down (it was a push IMO)

Are you normal man.....Cotto ain't got no chin homie. Do you ride the short bus to work man. "Amazing", are you joking???? Chavez is amazing, Hopkins is amazing, Tua is amazing, come on now, are u secretly taking it up the culo by Cotto????