How Come Miguel Cotto Is Never On A "P4P" List?

[borikua]

He's on his way, and I bet that he doesn't care much bout being in the overrated p4p list...

And Jose, please keep your culo on the lounge...

[borikua]

cuz of that "questionable" chin
and he really hasnt faced that good of opposition

OMG!

[Sir_Jose]

If by "Struggle badly" you mean finish them both in less than 7 rounds...I guess you could make the case for that.

Malignaggi was undefeated and many boxing experts picked him to beat Cotto using his boxing skill. Manny Steward was one of them

Carlos Baldomir? Lol the guy from Argentina with like 12 losses? who did he beat? Oh that's right....a washed up Gatti as well as unfocused Judah. Dont give me that linear Welterweight bull**** arguement because it's just sad.

Pinto was a highly touted prospect that beat Cotto in the Olympics like I stated. It was a highly anticipated matchup because of this....and Cotto shined just like he did against Abdulaev. I don't remember Floyd avenging his loss to that Russian douchebag or whatever.

You know what else is funny.....you left off with the "Baldomir and Judah are 10x better than those guys" because it sounds catchy. I suppose you're forgetting Mitchell, Bruseles and Gatti right?

Only a total moron could make the case that a 30 something year old has been club fighter, a nobody from Argentina, and a washed up slickster who should have never fought at 147 to begin with......are better than Olympians and undefeated prospects.

Yes struggled badly meaning was rocked several time and was in a life and death struggle, but yeah great win.

Again jr. undefeated against who? yeah thats right, none of those actually had many quality wins. Sorry for not being impressed with Paulie beating up club fighters from Boston on FNF.

*sighs*

ok do any of those guys have the resume of a Gatti or Mitchell? again no, but yeah since they were undefeated fighting turds in alleys and people backyards they have to be much much better right.

Dante Graig was an olympion so he must be awsome to...oh what about Ricardo Williams? or how about Bojado cause you know everyone who fights in the Olympics make an awsome pro.

[Easy-E]

Stick to the lounge and NBA thread, you're out of your element.

in 28 fights you can't name a fighter who's faced the kind of opposition he has...outside of a washed up Vargas and other flash in the pan stars and Floyd himself.

He is right though.
Yeah I suppose Cotto has the best opposition out there for guys with 28 fights, but thats not what p4p is based upon at all.

[Mech.]

Miguel Cotto KO1 All Mexican Fighters in history


and thats the truth.

[oldgringo]

Cotto has a solid resume. Nothing more, nothing less.

He has been smart though because he has fought guys who have presented several styles. Sluggers, boxer-punchers, slick boxers, tough aggressors, defensive fighters, etc. From Quintana to N'Dou to Bailey to Malignaggi to Corley. They all gave him a different look and he can adapt to a lot of things in the ring as a result. Just look at him switching southpaw on Quintana and landing those crazy ass straight lefts. Bernstein was even surprised by dem ****s.

[Run]

Yes struggled badly meaning was rocked several time and was in a life and death struggle, but yeah great win.

Again jr. undefeated against who? yeah thats right, none of those actually had many quality wins. Sorry for not being impressed with Paulie beating up club fighters from Boston on FNF.

*sighs*

ok do any of those guys have the resume of a Gatti or Mitchell? again no, but yeah since they were undefeated fighting turds in alleys and people backyards they have to be much much better right.

Dante Graig was an olympion so he must be awsome to...oh what about Ricardo Williams? or how about Bojado cause you know everyone who fights in the Olympics make an awsome pro.

As far as Malignaggi is concerned...nobody was talking about "Who he beat" or "comparing fighter's resumes". People were simply pointing out that Malignaggi had a style that Cotto had never faced....a pure boxer that was undefeated.

Ok so you've yet to explain why Baldomir is such a good fighter. Was it all the great victories and losses he had against taco venders in Argentina? Again.......Baldomir is a fluke, and held on to a win over an unfocused Judah and a beatdown of a washed up, never was, club fighter. Floyd exposed that in their last outing, because that's the extent of Baldomir.

Judah? sure he's an A class fighter....but collectively the guys Cotto has beat as a whole supercede two wins of that caliber. And Just to let you know....Floyd was actually dropped by Judah, that should have been ruled a knockdown,but anyways.

You're still missing the point. Resume or not...Mitchell was totally shot and out of his weight class at the time he fought Floyd. Let's not even get started about the leg injuries he faced that eventually led to his career demise. Beating him was about as impressive as Williams beating Mitchell....it means **** because he's way past his prime.



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[abdiel2k3]

Cotto:

Victoriano Sosa
Lovemore Ndou
Kelson Pinto
Randall Bailey
Chop Chop Corley
Muhammed Abdulaev
Ricardo Torres
Gianluca Branco
Paul Malignaggi
Carlos Quintana

u namin off his past 2 yrs doesnt legitimaize him
he def beat them impressively
but really now
who are they?
all prospects that never were
just becuz they gave him a tought fight
doesnt mean theyre that good
its means hes not that good

cottos one of my favorite active fighters
but that doesnt mean i throwem in the p4p list
yet......
have a feelin this next yr is his yr

[Guest]

Opposition over the past 2 years:

Floyd:

Henry Bruseles
Arturo Gatti
Sharmba Mitchell
Zab Judah
Carlos Baldomir

Cotto:

Victoriano Sosa
Lovemore Ndou
Kelson Pinto
Randall Bailey
Chop Chop Corley
Muhammed Abdulaev
Ricardo Torres
Gianluca Branco
Paul Malignaggi
Carlos Quintana


Lmfao....and if you include him fighting Maussa and knocking him out at the end of 2003....you'd have More than twice the number of fights against even more solid opposition.

****ing no contest.

Are you ****ing joking? Gatti would beat most of the guys you listed for Cotto and he's not that great. Mitchell would probably do the same and those are two of PBF worst opponents on that list. Here is a breakdown of Cotto's opponents:

Victoriano Sosa - He's trash. Mayweather leftovers.

Lovemore Ndou - Solid fighter, but never did much at the world class level. Count on him to lose to Ben Rabah in his next fight.

Kelson Pinto - Prospect who has beaten absolutely no one. I think old ass Vince Phillips knocked his ass out after Cotto did.

Randall Bailey - He's lost to every decent fighter he's faced.

Chop Chop Corley - This is a solid win for Cotto, but Corley was coming off back-to-back losses to Judah and Mayweather.

Muhammed Abdulaev - Good amateur fighter, hasn't done **** as a pro.

Ricardo Torres - Solid win, but Torres is a one dimensional fighter who was facing his first real test when he fought Cotto.

Gianluca Branco - Bum. This guy got schooled by Gatti, but you're trying to say it's a good win for Cotto and destroying Gatti is meaningless for Mayweather? lol

Paul Malignaggi - Who has he beat? He was too small to threaten Cotto and he had no power.

Carlos Quintana - All he has is a win over Joel Julio, who is more suspect than prospect. I think Quintana is an OK fighter, but he has more to prove.

Talk about overhyping Cotto. What a joke...

[Easy-E]

Are you ****ing joking? Gatti would beat most of the guys you listed for Cotto and he's not that great. Mitchell would probably do the same and those are two of PBF worst opponents on that list. Here is a breakdown of Cotto's opponents:

Victoriano Sosa - He's trash. Mayweather leftovers.

Lovemore Ndou - Solid fighter, but never did much at the world class level. Count on him to lose to Ben Rabah in his next fight.

Kelson Pinto - Prospect who has beaten absolutely no one. I think old ass Vince Phillips knocked his ass out after Cotto did.

Randall Bailey - He's lost to every decent fighter he's faced.

Chop Chop Corley - This is a solid win for Cotto, but Corley was coming off back-to-back losses to Judah and Mayweather.

Muhammed Abdulaev - Good amateur fighter, hasn't done **** as a pro.

Ricardo Torres - Solid win, but Torres is a one dimensional fighter who was facing his first real test when he fought Cotto.

Gianluca Branco - Bum. This guy got schooled by Gatti, but you're trying to say it's a good win for Cotto and destroying Gatti is meaningless for Mayweather? lol

Paul Malignaggi - Who has he beat? He was too small to threaten Cotto and he had no power.

Carlos Quintana - All he has is a win over Joel Julio, who is more suspect than prospect. I think Quintana is an OK fighter, but he has more to prove.

Talk about overhyping Cotto. What a joke...

Its also important to note that Floyd beat several of those fighters before Cotto faced them.