How Come Miguel Cotto Is Never On A "P4P" List?

[Run]

Are you ****ing joking? Gatti would beat most of the guys you listed for Cotto and he's not that great. Mitchell would probably do the same and those are two of PBF worst opponents on that list. Here is a breakdown of Cotto's opponents:

Victoriano Sosa - He's trash. Mayweather leftovers.

Lovemore Ndou - Solid fighter, but never did much at the world class level. Count on him to lose to Ben Rabah in his next fight.

Kelson Pinto - Prospect who has beaten absolutely no one. I think old ass Vince Phillips knocked his ass out after Cotto did.

Randall Bailey - He's lost to every decent fighter he's faced.

Chop Chop Corley - This is a solid win for Cotto, but Corley was coming off back-to-back losses to Judah and Mayweather.

Muhammed Abdulaev - Good amateur fighter, hasn't done **** as a pro.

Ricardo Torres - Solid win, but Torres is a one dimensional fighter who was facing his first real test when he fought Cotto.

Gianluca Branco - Bum. This guy got schooled by Gatti, but you're trying to say it's a good win for Cotto and destroying Gatti is meaningless for Mayweather? lol

Paul Malignaggi - Who has he beat? He was too small to threaten Cotto and he had no power.

Carlos Quintana - All he has is a win over Joel Julio, who is more suspect than prospect. I think Quintana is an OK fighter, but he has more to prove.

Talk about overhyping Cotto. What a joke...

You can disregard the facts all you want.

Carlos Quintana beat one of the most highly respected prospects in Julio making him the WBA #1 ranked fighter.

Cotto obliterated him

As far as I am concerned.....beating Quintana is much more impressive than beating Baldomir. Baldomir the fluke doesn't compare to a guy who was riding that impressive of a win...over that fresh of a fighter.

Torres might have not faced that great of opposition coming from Columbia...but he did what he was supposed to....he knocked virtually everyone out. 27 knockout wins in 31 fights and most of them in the early rounds. That's much more impressive than once again "Baldomir the fluke" who was winning on points and technical decisions against guys with losing records or no fights at all...LOL.

Kelson Pinto was once again a respected Olympian prospect who held a victory over Cotto. It's impressive when you avenge losses against guys who beat you, amateurs or not.

Gatti? you dont' really think Gatti would beat Quintana do you? That's ******ed....he's a club fighter at best and his biggest outings were his ass whippings by DLH and Floyd. Gatti lost to King Soliman and Iran Barkley....that's pretty sad. In fact....he was an exciting fighter but let's leave it at that.

Cotto has been fighting up and comers the past two years....whereas Floyd has been fighting 1 unprdictable fighter in Judah, 1 nobody, 1 hasbeen, 1 club fighter.

We don't have to keep discussing the Mitchell situation because it's ridiculous. He's washed up, fights with a bad knee, and north of the weight he originated from. Williams beating Mitchell was as impressive as Floyd beating him....and neither victory is impressive after watching Tszyu finish him with 1 punch.



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[STEELHEAD]

cotto holds barely more than a candle up against any 147 top contender. overhyped by nutthuggers.
theyve brought him up good.
to small for 147 IMO.

[-Antonio-]

hate to break it you, but um...those guys are'nt really that good. Gianluca Branco? are you kidding me? Kelson Pinto? Lovemore Ndou? I mean who has any of these guys actually beaten in there career to be considered "Good"there is a big difference bettween good and a durable guy.

same with Magliwhatever****, who has he actually beaten?

didn't ChopChop rock the **** out of him? getting rocked by a non power punching cross dresser is not a good thing.

and didn't he struggle badly with Torres?

Zab and Baldomir are 10x the fighters than any guy on that list you mentioned.

He didnt struggle badly with Torres at all. That fight gets blown out of proportion so bad its not even funny. He dropped him 4 or 5 times and was destroying his body. Corley rocked him with a punch that viewers at home could barely see it was so fast and compact. He rocked Mayweather too, the best fighter in the world.

[Easy-E]

You can disregard the facts all you want.

Carlos Quintana beat one of the most highly respected prospects in Julio making him the WBA #1 ranked fighter.

Cotto obliterated him

As far as I am concerned.....beating Quintana is much more impressive than beating Baldomir. Baldomir the fluke doesn't compare to a guy who was riding that impressive of a win...over that fresh of a fighter.

Torres might have not faced that great of opposition coming from Columbia...but he did what he was supposed to....he knocked virtually everyone out. 27 knockout wins in 31 fights and most of them in the early rounds. That's much more impressive than once again "Baldomir the fluke" who was winning on points and technical decisions against guys with losing records or no fights at all...LOL.

Kelson Pinto was once again a respected Olympian prospect who held a victory over Cotto. It's impressive when you avenge losses against guys who beat you, amateurs or not.

Gatti? you dont' really think Gatti would beat Quintana do you? That's ******ed....he's a club fighter at best and his biggest outings were his ass whippings by DLH and Floyd. Gatti lost to King Soliman and Iran Barkley....that's pretty sad. In fact....he was an exciting fighter but let's leave it at that.

Cotto has been fighting up and comers the past two years....whereas Floyd has been fighting 1 unprdictable fighter in Judah, 1 nobody, 1 hasbeen, 1 club fighter.

We don't have to keep discussing the Mitchell situation because it's ridiculous. He's washed up, fights with a bad knee, and north of the weight he originated from. Williams beating Mitchell was as impressive as Floyd beating him....and neither victory is impressive after watching Tszyu finish him with 1 punch.

Man your making absolutly laughable comments.
Floyd has faced better opposition no matter how you look at that.

[Guest]

You can disregard the facts all you want.

Carlos Quintana beat one of the most highly respected prospects in Julio making him the WBA #1 ranked fighter.

Cotto obliterated him.

So you think Cosme Rivera is a great fighter too, since he was robbed of a win over Julio right after the Quintana fight?

As far as I am concerned.....beating Quintana is much more impressive than beating Baldomir. Baldomir the fluke doesn't compare to a guy who was riding that impressive of a win...over that fresh of a fighter.

You talk so much **** about Baldomir, while ignoring the fact that Quintana has never beaten a fighter as good as Baldomir. You can call it a fluke or whatever, but a win is a win and Baldomir beat Judah. Judah is better than Quintana and Julio combined.

Torres might have not faced that great of opposition coming from Columbia...but he did what he was supposed to....he knocked virtually everyone out. 27 knockout wins in 31 fights and most of them in the early rounds. That's much more impressive than once again "Baldomir the fluke" who was winning on points and technical decisions against guys with losing records or no fights at all...LOL.

Let's make Paul Williams P4P then since he beat Walter Matthyse who was knocking out bums in Argentina even more impressively than Torres. Matthyse had never been past 4 rounds until he fought Williams.

How about we throw Valero in the #1 spot since he has only been past the first round twice in his career?

KOs don't mean ****. It's all about who you beat and Torres is lucky Arnaoutis has no killer instinct or he wouldn't have a single notable win...

Kelson Pinto was once again a respected Olympian prospect who held a victory over Cotto. It's impressive when you avenge losses against guys who beat you, amateurs or not.

The amateurs and pros are so different, that avenging those losses is meaningless. The fact is Pinto is a fighter who will never even win a paper title in his career. He's a joke...

Gatti? you dont' really think Gatti would beat Quintana do you? That's ******ed....he's a club fighter at best and his biggest outings were his ass whippings by DLH and Floyd. Gatti lost to King Soliman and Iran Barkley....that's pretty sad. In fact....he was an exciting fighter but let's leave it at that.

Gatti would beat any jr. welterweight on your list.

Cotto has been fighting up and comers the past two years....whereas Floyd has been fighting 1 unprdictable fighter in Judah, 1 nobody, 1 hasbeen, 1 club fighter.

So in order to be P4P you have to fight prospects? Floyd should forget about DLH and go fight one of the Peterson brothers...

We don't have to keep discussing the Mitchell situation because it's ridiculous. He's washed up, fights with a bad knee, and north of the weight he originated from. Williams beating Mitchell was as impressive as Floyd beating him....and neither victory is impressive after watching Tszyu finish him with 1 punch.

How is a Mitchell win any less impressive than a win over Corley?

If the resumes were flipflopped, you would be saying Cotto should be #1 P4P...

[-Antonio-]

To get back on the topic at hand, I dont see why having him at number 10 is a problem. Especially when people have the likes of Oscar De La Hoya in there after a win over Mayorga.

[Easy-E]

To get back on the topic at hand, I dont see why having him at number 10 is a problem. Especially when people have the likes of Oscar De La Hoya in there after a win over Mayorga.

I dont think it is, but Run's argument goes far beyond that.
He is claiming he has beat better opposition than the number 1 p4p fighter in the game of late.

[Guest]

Judah? sure he's an A class fighter....but collectively the guys Cotto has beat as a whole supercede two wins of that caliber. And Just to let you know....Floyd was actually dropped by Judah, that should have been ruled a knockdown,but anyways.

I still don't get the love for Judah I read a lot about on here.

He's talented, no question, and has a Hell of a punch. He's also extremely fast, too (it was notable that he was faster than Mayweather).

However, his chin is suspect and his stamina is pretty awful. Not only that, but who has beat to prove this "first class"ness? Spinks?

Sorry, but I just think anyone considered a great who's also most famous for doing a "I'm a little teapot" dance has to be reassessed.

[The Surgeon]

I had him in the top 8 after the Quintana fight and everyone on here got mad at me. Now less than 2 months later (and zero fights later for Cotto) everyone suddenly agrees with me? Wack

Not me player, i remember u saying that too. He was in mine berfore the Quintana fight , but beating an undefeated hot prospect, southpaw stylist with a good Ko percentage, at a new weight in such devastating fashion pushed him up a notch or 2!

[Guest]

omg **sigh** miguel cotto does not have a amazing chin

hes world class and i like him but thats 1 of his flaws

Sigh at somebody else, little boy prick. Anyone who can take how many solid flush shots off Torres and not go down is clearly not packing glass.