How Come Miguel Cotto Is Never On A "P4P" List?

**The Surgeon** · 01-30-2007, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by RunW/Knives

He's beaten probably as good of opposition as anyone.

I suppose it's the lack of wins over stars that impresses people who make those lists. I like Hatton, and I do think he should be on or near a top ten list....but outside of his 1 career defining win over Tszyu he's by no means beaten better opposition than Cotto. Over the past three years, Cotto has walked through one tough opponent after another.

The ridiculous thing is....even if Cotto beats Margarito I'm sure he's still not going to be universally recognized as top ten material. I don't know why.

He is on mine everytime! I agree with ur post dude

**The Surgeon** · 01-30-2007, 01:57 PM

Actually he is in the RING p4p list too now, in at 10

**Run** · 01-30-2007, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by ROBO #1

He is on mine everytime! I agree with ur post dude

I don't care what anyone says. The winner of Margarito/Cotto is top ten P4P.

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**Guest** · 01-30-2007, 01:58 PM

All good points... like you say, the win over Zoo is the "cheat" (in a figurative sense) to get into the top ten. That's the only real difference. I suppose it IS possible to argue that Cotto is still relatively "untested" against top flight opposition, but it's not necessarily something I'd argue myself. I'd certainly have him top twenty.

**Welter_Skelter** · 01-30-2007, 02:00 PM

Cotto dont talk ****.. he is polite and actually trying to learn another language..
Alot of people hate it when someone is smarter than they are...

**The Surgeon** · 01-30-2007, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by RunW/Knives

I don't care what anyone says. The winner of Margarito/Cotto is top ten P4P.

Cotto is in mine already and if any1 beats him their in! I know he aint beat an ELITE fighter yet but he beat sum damn good 1's that not every1 thought he could. He gets in mine coz P4P lists arent all about accomplishments, potential and skills hav to be taken into account plus peeps need to bare in mind he KO's most of his oppenents!

**Mech.** · 01-30-2007, 02:03 PM

Because youre a nuthugger.

If he beats Margarrrrrrito,Id be perfectly legit to have him on a p4p list.

**Guest** · 01-30-2007, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by ROBO #1

Actually he is in the RING p4p list too now, in at 10

He's right, here's the current list (note that the Paler has dropped beneath The Blow, and Pongsmelly Pingpongjam has left the list altogether, prob. quite rightly as there was no way of proving it):

1 FLOYD MAYWEATHER Welterweight
2 MANNY PACQUIAO Jr. Lightweight
3 WINKY WRIGHT Middleweight
4 JERMAIN TAYLOR Middleweight
5 BERNARD HOPKINS Lt. Heavyweight
6 MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA Jr. Lightweight
7 RAFAEL MARQUEZ Bantamweight
8 JOE CALZAGHE Super Middleweight
9 RICKY HATTON Jr. Welterweight
10 MIGUEL COTTO

The thing with P4P is that a lot of it is so transient, it can only be guessed at. Kind of like how I always said (sorry, but I did) that the Hopkins post-Joppy was getting old and didn't really warrant the top spot anymore. Then when he meets someone who can press him, he loses it. (Perhaps unfairly).

The Amigo's another. I've got a lot of time for Marco, but I suspect that he's aged considerably and that if pressed he wouldn't really be able to hold his ground with many of the other P4P listees. He's an Amigo with a lot of miles on the clock.

**!!! Beowulf !!!** · 01-30-2007, 02:05 PM

I'd have Cotto just outside purely because of his lack of a big scalp. Quintana probably wasn't that good (remains to be seen), but apart from Branco his othe recent wins have been over good opposition who generally came to win. I think a win over Margarito should bump him into the top 10.

How Come Miguel Cotto Is Never On A "P4P" List?