Greb cant beat hagler

[brownpimp88]

Dempsey hadn't fought very often for a couple of years before facing Tunney and was out of his prime by then.

dempsey never fought a guy more skilled than tunney, period. Those fights happened, dempsey getting embarassed bu tunney will live forever.

[Mr. Ryan]

Dempsey hadn't fought very often for a couple of years before facing Tunney and was out of his prime by then.

Notwithstanding those fights, which frankly would've turned up the same way had Dempsey not spent 3 years ducking every worthy adversary of color, stylistically he was made to order for anyone with a jab and a right hand behind it. He was the first modern heavyweight, in that he turned it from what Fitzsimmons and the other old geezers had molded it into, a gentleman's sport, to a ruthless bare-knuckle mentality fight game. It became, the fighting sport.

[BuddyChacon]

thier is footage of my boys in action, this sport is a joke. Floyd has a chance to surpass leonard, calazghe has a chance to be the best 168 ever, will u guys support them, no. You will wait until they lose so u can say, "see i told u he was overrated", leonard would have kicked his ass.

Floyd went up to leonard's face and straight up said i'm better than you. He is a real man that appreciates his own skill, he's a real fighter. He aint no posterboy that relies on numerous gift decisions, hes had like 1 arguable gift his whole career, leonard has had like 3.

That Floyd statement shows you know **** about fighters. When Floyd starts beating hall of famers like Leonard did instead of the Gattis, Ndous and those bums than I will give him more credit. Who cares if Floyd told Leonard that it doesn't make it true.

[K-DOGG]

Dempsey was a catcher. His bobbing and weaving was crude at best. Gene Tunney had his number, so I don't see why a guy like Lewis or Ali wouldn't run him out of the Polo Grounds.

1. Dempsey was NOT a catcher.

2. His bobbing and weaving were not crude at best....watch something besides the Willard fight.

3. He had been inactive for 3 years and was 31 when he faced Tunney. Mabye Tunney could have beat him in 1923, maybe not; but the one he did beat was not the same fighter.

[Mr. Ryan]

dempsey never fought a guy more skilled than tunney, period. Those fights happened, dempsey getting embarassed bu tunney will live forever.

It's interesting, because Tunney became hated for beating Dempsey and for not being what most felt a true heavyweight should be. Tunney was of course a smart technician, but he was a very sophisticated and cultured man out of the ring. On the other hand, people could identify with Dempsey because he was the personification of the Roaring 20's. He was a former railroad worker who found fame and fortune with his fists out of the Midwestern coal mining towns.

So in essence, it is Tunney who is forgotten and Dempsey who is immortal. I've eaten at the new Jack Dempsey restaurant a few times in Manhattan, Don King puts on a lot of press conferences there.

[BuddyChacon]

dempsey never fought a guy more skilled than tunney, period. Those fights happened, dempsey getting embarassed bu tunney will live forever.

You obviously have a bias against Old School fighters with the Leonard hate.

[brownpimp88]

The point you're missing is what makes a fighter great. The record helps, sure; but if you retire with 50-0 and were never tested, what does it prove? Nothing, that you never gambled, that you never tested yourself, that you management picked your opponents and took no risks.

What makes a fighter great is his ability to suck it up with the going gets tough, when he's down in a fight and being beaten badly and comes back and finds a way to win.

I have no problem ranked Floyd or Joe at the end of their careers; but I will rank them not on their record, but on their competition when comparring them to the ones who came before.

he's already beat 3 good fighters, 2 are going into the hall of fame. What happnes when he beats oscar, mosley, cotto, and hatton. They will all be dubbed "overrated".

Pernell should be ranked higher than leonard too, its just leonard looks better on paper. Pernell beat chavez, ramirez both times, nelson, mcgirt twice, vazquez, haugen, nazario, pineda, diaz and few other good fighters. His only real losses were his last two and he was a ****e addict by that time. I'm convinced he is better, he would have pissed leonard off the enitre fight and humiliate him.

[brownpimp88]

That Floyd statement shows you know **** about fighters. When Floyd starts beating hall of famers like Leonard did instead of the Gattis, Ndous and those bums than I will give him more credit. Who cares if Floyd told Leonard that it doesn't make it true.

corrales is a bum, haha.

[Mr. Ryan]

1. Dempsey was NOT a catcher.

2. His bobbing and weaving were not crude at best....watch something besides the Willard fight.

3. He had been inactive for 3 years and was 31 when he faced Tunney. Mabye Tunney could have beat him in 1923, maybe not; but the one he did beat was not the same fighter.

C'mon, you aren't going to do the same thing that these little dudes say with the "I know you haven't seen any of these guys fights" gig, are you?

My man, I've seen the Firpo fight (one of the most entertainingly sloppy fights ever), Charpentier, Tommy Gibbons, Jess Willard, both Tunney bouts, and the Jack Sharkey cheap shot fight. I'm not talking about things I don't know what I speak of. I doesn't do that type of thing my homey.

Firpo fight, he is knocking a big punching bag around the ring with amateurish lunges and is even knocked out the ring. It doesn't take rocket science to see that a guy with a jab launches Dempsey into another realm of existence.

Sharkey's jab-right cross is taking him apart until Sharkey decides "Hmm, let me ***** to the referee while this guy hits me in the nuts WOMP! which way did he go George?"

Charpentier, the French WWI hero, is controlling the pace about 10 blocks from where I used to live (JERSEY CITY!!!) and finally Dempsey got to the smaller man. It was absolutely humorous how homeboy jumped up, only to jump back down when Dempsey came on him again.

[K-DOGG]

he's already beat 3 good fighters, 2 are going into the hall of fame. What happnes when he beats oscar, mosley, cotto, and hatton. They will all be dubbed "overrated".

Pernell should be ranked higher than leonard too, its just leonard looks better on paper. Pernell beat chavez, ramirez both times, nelson, mcgirt twice, vazquez, haugen, nazario, pineda, diaz and few other good fighters. His only real losses were his last two and he was a ****e addict by that time. I'm convinced he is better, he would have pissed leonard off the enitre fight and humiliate him.

If Floyd beats all those guys, it will indeed bode well for him. I've always said so.

Concerning Whitaker, I can see that, actually. Leonard's career was extremely abrvieated due to his retina damage; but beating Benitez, Duran, Kalule & Hearns, to say nothing of his monumental upset over Hagler.....and I do think he beat him....speaks volumes of how good or great he really was.